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To: jo kus
That is not a refutation. Those quotes just show how good Origen was at rhetoric that obscured the truth and allowed him to function on both sides of any issue. After all this is the same Origen who wrote: "The Scriptures are of little use to those who understand them as written". So should this apply to his writings as well???

Either way we are left with a dilemma over whether to believe Origen there or believe about Origen here:

"Origen ... set himself the task of knowing the "Hebrew verity" of the Old Testament text, and gives us a list (also preserved to us by Eusebius, Eccl. Hist., VI, 5) in which he reckons the number of books as 22 (thus agreeing with Josephus). Inadvertently he omits the Twelve Minor Prophets, but this is manifestly an oversight on the part of either a scribe or of Eusebius, as he states the number of books is 22 and then names but 21." [International Standard Bible Encyclopedia]

So what did Origen really believe about the canon? What did Eusebius believe Origen believed? Origen has made a fool out of a lot of people, and if you want to base your beliefs on his rhetorical writings, you can join his club.

But you are still left with lot of other church fathers who accepted the Jewish canon of 22 books. So how do you dismiss all of these patriarchs of holy Tradition?

37 posted on 03/02/2007 4:49:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
That is not a refutation...

I'm done speaking with you. If you can't figure it out that Origen considered the Deuterocannonicals as Scripture from my posts, it is pointless to discuss this with you any longer. Take note of your tagline and realize I am following Scriptures

Titus 3:9-10

Adios

42 posted on 03/02/2007 9:09:34 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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