Posted on 02/26/2007 1:28:30 PM PST by Alex Murphy
1) Flying saucers.
2) Flying saucer pilots.
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I don't have any big need to prove my relative's assertions. I know him. I trust him. Things he's told me have shown up later in the literature elsewhere multiple times from a diversity of sources.
He asserted more than 30 years ago that back THEN we hac UFO type craft that could instantly go to any spot on the globe under computer control with bomb or camera payloads. It was clear that Mainland China had been photographed in great detail using such. I believe him on all those points.
It would be more comfortable by far to not have to believe him. I don't have that option. I'm not that much of an idiot when faced with reliable convincing evidence regardless of the reasons for the reliability and convincing-ness.
I'd say you've been through way too many Catholic v Protestant wars. Put the safety catch back on the flame thrower. As for knowing what I'm thinking, you're way off target, I'm afraid. Mind reading is not your forte. I feel exactly the same embarrassment when I see the "Virgin Mary in a cheese sandwich" articles.
I'm not looking for a fight, but there is a point that needs to be made here. If this was a Catholic issue, there would be no shortage of those ready to point out that there is no scriptural basis for UFOs. My point, is not.....repeat not that belief in UFOs is a "natural" consequence of a "sola scriptura" approach, but rather that those who tout the Bible are also susceptible to the "kook factor", not because of, but despite their apparent devotion to the Bible.
I said this in my previous post but apparently it wasn't clear enough so I'll repeat it. "I think every religion has it's share."
Clear?
2) At the moment, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything you're posting here. I'm trying to determine exactly what it is you're claiming. Pardon my denseness. Are you claiming that you, personally, have seen FS and met FS pilots, are you relaying claims made by a relative, or both?
I believe I read something similar in the Weekly World News.
Right next to the "Batboy in Subway" article.
I forget the specific area . . . I don't recall if it was S-4 or some other area in NEV. But my relative was the one with the contact and job around the craft. He did not work with the craft. But he had a technical job where he saw them routinely on a more or less daily basis. And he rubbed shoulders with those who piloted them and worked with them.
imho,
Enjoy the fantasies. They have a rapidly decreasing half-life.
Thank you for clarifying.
Piloted what and worked with whom?
UFOs?
OK.....I get it.......you're yanking our chains. And we took the bait.
Good one.
That's one point to you.
OK.....I get it.......you're yanking our chains.
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No. You don't seem to get it, AT ALL.
Am not yanking anyone's chain in the least.
SOME of us have the capacity to discuss the topic in a rational, factual, evidential, mutually respectful way.
For some, it seems that the fear of having their world-view/cosmology jostled is so extreme that they have to be derisive and dismissive to the max any time the topic comes up. No amount of evidence; no sources; no rational discussion will ever phase them.
And, probably, when the craft begin forcing their presence on the world's citizens on a massive scale, such individuals will not be happy campers at all. Not that the occasion would be one to be happy about generally speaking, of course.
But some will have a harder time when their construction on reality frays, unravels and disintegrates wholesale.
I would prefer that no FREEPERS were amongst that group.
Alas, some seem doggedly determined to remain life time card carrying members of that group.
Again . . . how many thousands of pages of evidence have you considered with how much of an open mind?
Bu Xie
De nada
You're welcome.
Thanks for the civility.
That astronomers are suppressing information about UFOs (alien spaceships, whatever) because of fears of ticking off the government. People who know what they're looking at just don't make the kinds of misidentifications that the types who usually make UFO reports do, as Ross acutely observed.
As for your relative, I don't completely understand what you're saying he's claiming, but my BS detector is hitting some high marks.
I don't really give a rip about your BS meter. It evidently needs an overhaul or recalibrating.
Check out Stanton Friedman. Open your eyes or mind a bit more.
But even all that is not likely to be that necessary. Within a relatively few number of years, the trends seem to indicate that the issue will be forced as part of the globalist plan to coerce the world's citizens into a world government.
At some point, the UFO realities as well as the deceptions will come crashing down around all of us with reality changing consequences.
As Wherner von Braun asserted to Dr Carol Rosin in 1974--first would be a war against terror and terrorists, then a war with Iraq. Then a war with ET.
Looks like the latter is up next.
But, hey, enjoy the denial as long as possible. It's got to be more comforting than the truth.
IOW,
It's not really my fault that you seem to have a faulty BS meter instead of a relative who worked routinely around our fleet of UFO type craft.
I don't have that problem.
I have the problem of having to believe things I'd rather not have to believe.
The problem with the authenticity of flying saucers is precisely that: a lack of evidence of any material quality, "sources" which are really just the word of some guy on a fishing trip, and an avoidance of rational conclusions among the UFO set in pursuit of the most fantastical and most incredible solutions.
If the UFO proponents would ever assemble evidence that would pass scientific muster, your "open mind" would get blown by the change in people's thinking on the issue. As it is, you'd get a lot further if you dropped the "I don't have any big need to prove my relative's assertions" attitude and realized you need to do exactly that if you want to elevate this stuff above nonsense.
Whatever then. Keep scratching at that box you're incased in.....
The problem with the authenticity of flying saucers is precisely that: a lack of evidence of any material quality, "sources" which are really just the word of some guy on a fishing trip, and an avoidance of rational conclusions among the UFO set in pursuit of the most fantastical and most incredible solutions.
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There's ample hard object proof as well as a variety of other kinds of high quality proof. It's in the literature. Has been for a long time. Those serious about the truth dig it out. Besides, more than 80% of the populace believe in such things. I don't happen to be the one in the minority.
Physicist Stanton Friedman is super rational as well as rather strict in his criteria regarding evidence.
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sf_articles.html
I've talked with Friedman at some length. He's very authentic. Not one to suffer fools gladly or kindly--more of a friendly grandfatherly old curmudgeon sort of fellow. But very likeable.
And, he has had experience in highly secret atomic engine technologies. IIRC, he was involved at one point with an atomic engine that would put out the power of Hoover dam from a unit that would fit very comfortably on a semi trailer.
UFO PING LIST PING.
Please let Las Vegas Dave and I know if you want on or off the list.
Whatever then. Keep scratching at that box you're incased in.....
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I'm NOT the one in the tidy little out-of-date box.
Friedman is a joke who never advanced beyond a Masters and who has no reputation in the scientific community. He's best known for his embarassing defense of the Majestic-12 hoax documents.
Lol. Bible Code, Glossolalia and now UFO's.
Why am I not surprised. Lol.
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