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To: Ping-Pong

"The quote you gave of Zech.14:4, as you said, happens at the 7th trump when He returns" No, what I said was, "gives the picture of the Lord's return described in Rev. 19 and 20, at the end of the tribulation period and the beginning of the millennium". This would happen after Rev. 16:17, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." There is no more mercy or grace to be given to the unbeliever; for them it is judgment and the fearful coming of the King of King and Lord of Lords with His hosts. That happens after the last vial of His wrath is poured out.

Now, the trumpet judgments and the vial judgments all take place during the period of the last seal judgment, but they are distinct and increasing in intensity and accelerating in quickness of the wrath of God.


54 posted on 02/27/2007 8:25:08 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

Thank you for your replies - I'll combine my response to both in this message. First let me say, you are a pleasure to debate this subject with. Even though we have a difference of opinion, on what we both know is a very important subject, your manner makes it very pleasant.

"The Tribulation Period is not Satan's but God's wrath being poured out on the earth."

There are two. The first is when Satan comes and most won't know it is a tribulation. He is pretending to be Christ so his deception is done in a loving, peaceful manner and the "whole world will wonder after him".
As stated in 2Thess.2:
9.Even Him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10.And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them
that perish; because they received not the love of the
truth, that they might be saved.
11.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
12.That they all might be damned who believed not the
truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God not only allows the deceit of Satan but sends strong delusion. If one wishes to believe a lie He helps them.


I apologize if I misstated your Zech 14:4 quote. I thought we both saw the same meaning in it. My understanding is that when Christ comes, at the 7th trump all will be over in a very short time and the millennium begins.

As far as the rapture, there are many places in His word that show there will not be one. The only reason I brought up 1 Thessalonians is that is the place used by rapture teachers to promote the theory.

One place comes to mind that speaks against it, or at least that is how I read it. Ezekiel 13:
20.Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am
against your pillows, where-with ye there hunt the
souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your
arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that
ye hunt to make them fly.

What could this mean, for your souls to fly, except rapture?


56 posted on 02/27/2007 9:44:44 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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