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Where does Ash Wednesday get its ashes?
Statesman ^ | February 21, 2007 | Eileen E. Flynn

Posted on 02/21/2007 2:48:46 PM PST by NYer

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For Ash Wednesday, the Rev. Lou Brusatti keeps enough ashes to mark 1,000 people in a bowl that fits in the palm of his hand.


The Rev. Lou Brusatti pours ashes at the chapel of St. Edward's University for Ash Wednesday. The ash reminds the faithful of their sin and their mortality. The symbolism 'touches people really at the core of who they are,' Brusatti said.

1 posted on 02/21/2007 2:48:48 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 02/21/2007 2:50:35 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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I got a good dose this morning but somehow by midafternoon, they were gone. I'm cranky with our building's deli who had the obligatory mardi gras special yesterday but had chicken fried steak as the special today. I made the mistake of asking about it last year because they had run out of tuna melts and Jim started ranting about how evil God was so I didn't bring it up this year.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 2:54:43 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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Genesis 3:19 For out of it you were taken; For dust you [are,] And to dust you shall return."

Joshua 7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes, and fell to the earth on his face before the ark of the LORD until evening, he and the elders of Israel; and they put dust on their heads.

Job 42:6 Therefore I abhor [myself,] And repent in dust and ashes."

Jeremiah 6:26 O daughter of my people, Dress in sackcloth And roll about in ashes! Make mourning [as for] an only son, most bitter lamentation; For the plunderer will suddenly come upon us.

Daniel 9:3 Then I set my face toward the Lord God to make request by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes.

Joshua 7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes, and fell to the earth on his face before the ark of the LORD until evening, he and the elders of Israel; and they put dust on their heads.

Matthew 11:21 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

Luke 10:13 " Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

4 posted on 02/21/2007 2:55:12 PM PST by Titanites
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Our parish still makes ashes from scratch.

About four weeks ago they started asking everyone to leave their fronds from Palm Sunday in collection barrels in the narthex. Apparently enough people stick them up behind the crucifix for a year (we always have, even before we were Catholic.) I think they save a few boxes of palms as well.

It's mixed with a little oil to make it stick, makes a good dark mark.

I wore mine all day, but took a riding lesson this afternoon, and riding helmet + sweat = no more ashes on the forehead.

5 posted on 02/21/2007 4:32:21 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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I got a good dose this morning but somehow by midafternoon, they were gone.

Lol ... you should look East ;-) They celebrate Ash Monday, so you get an early start on Lent. In the Maronite Tradition, immediately following the Readings and the Creed, the priest blesses the ashes, then sprinkles Holy Water on them. He then mixes them to the proper consistency and "paints" these in the form of a cross on the foreheads of ALL present (yes, even the infants) repeating the same phrase: "Remember that you are dust and unto dust you shall return". Perhaps you can suggest this 'formula' to your parish priest for next year's Ash Wednesday.

As an aside, I stepped outside at one point today and heard a young child YELL out to a passerby - "Hey, you've got something on your forehead". To which he replied: "Yes, I know".

I made the mistake of asking about it last year because they had run out of tuna melts and Jim started ranting about how evil God was so I didn't bring it up this year.

Next year, try something different, like middle eastern dishes. Hommous and Tabouli or Felafel served up in a wrap with lettuce, tomatos and tahini sauce ... yum! These will scintillate your palate while meeting lenten regulations. They're absolutely delicious! The bonus, of course, is that you will be consuming the very same dishes once cooked by the Blessed Mother and served up to our Lord.

6 posted on 02/21/2007 5:00:06 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Well. I live in Johnson County KS. We used to be able to go about two miles to a wonderful middle eastern restaurant but it closed. Now it would take a trip to Westport which is more of a commitment than I want but I am thinking about some of the really good Indian restaurants in the neighborhood.


7 posted on 02/21/2007 5:02:46 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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Our parish still makes ashes from scratch.

Yes, of course, this is the proper way to go. Our parish is small enough that Father need only save the palm fronds used to decorate the Church on Palm Sunday. These provide ample supply for Ash Monday, but I like your parish's approach. I too enwrap the Crucifixes with palms and leave them there all year. Gotta love a pastor who advocates 'recycling'. I'm never quite certain of how to properly dispose of blessed palms. Perhaps we should pose this question to Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum university, who posts responses to the Zenit News web site.

It's mixed with a little oil to make it stick, makes a good dark mark.

As I just posted to 'Mercat', the Maronite priests first bless the ashes then sprinkle Holy Water on them 3x. Then they mix this together to form a fairly heavy liquid substance that is 'painted' on the penitent's forehead with the words: "Remember that your are dust and unto dust you shall return". ALL present, including infants, are given equal distribution of the ashes. This mixture adheres to the forehead like glue ;-)

I wore mine all day, but took a riding lesson this afternoon, and riding helmet + sweat = no more ashes on the forehead.

Next year, you may want to apply a strip of indellible tape ;-) That should preseve them until you are ready to pull it off.

8 posted on 02/21/2007 5:15:27 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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It's funny, but we had a furnace repairman come in the house, saw the crucifix with all the palms behind it (I use a little piece of florist's wire so they don't all fall down) and asked, "You Catholic?"

Me (big wink) - "Well, I ain't Buddhist . . ."

He was Catholic too. We had a lot of fun talking about the nuns in his grade school and our respective parishes.

9 posted on 02/21/2007 5:22:28 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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We used to be able to go about two miles to a wonderful middle eastern restaurant but it closed.

No need to make a trip! These recipes are of the utmost simplicity (remember our Blessed Mother did not have the modern conveniences of today). One of our Lebanese parishioners recently opened up a 'cafe' and is now rated #1 in Albany, for Lebanese cuisine. She gave me her recipes, written in typical Mediterranean fashion

Homous
1 can of chick peas (drained and rinsed)
1 clove of garlic (crushed)
2 tblsps tahini (available in most supermarkets)
1/8 cup lemon juice
1/8 cup cold water
pinch of salt

Run the chick peas through a food processor and gradually introduce the other ingredients. These should form a smooth dip like consistency. Adjust the liquids and salt, to suit the taste.

The other recipes are equally simple to prepare. Tabouli is nothing more than chopped parsley, green onion, fresh tomato, fresh mint (dried works as well), salt, cinnamon, pepper, olive oil, lemon juice (of course) and some bulghur.

Once tossed and ready, bring out the pita bread and 'voila' - a delicious middle eastern lenten dish. There are plenty of recipes online ... check them out!

10 posted on 02/21/2007 5:32:33 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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We had a lot of fun talking about the nuns in his grade school and our respective parishes.

I'll bet you got an earful :-)

I'm slightly older than you and grew up, a Catholic baby boomer, in Queens NY. The classes in our Catholic School were packed - 50+ to a room with the same nun for the entire year. I was so intimidated by my 7th grade teacher that I broke out in shingles and was written up in the New England Journal of Medicine (or so said the Dermatologist), as the youngest patient ever treated for this ailment. Now, as an adult and mother, looking back on the experience, I can only proclaim thes nuns as saints. Imagine spending an entire year teaching ALL subjects to the same group of students, all afflicted with raging hormones. Not only that, she also corrected our spelling and grammar on EVERY paper submitted, regardless of the topic. And, these nuns did this work out of a sense of duty, obligation and LOVE for our Lord. God bless each and every one of them!

11 posted on 02/21/2007 5:40:37 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Ours came from Sacco's. I have a collection of palm fronds from years past. I think I'll give them to Father Michael for him to burn.


12 posted on 02/21/2007 6:19:30 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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My hat's off to those sisters . . . they were really something.

And thanks for the recipe -- I'm going to try it. Is there a good website specifically for Middle Eastern recipes?

13 posted on 02/21/2007 6:29:47 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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Do you know if the ashes are supposed to be applied by a priest or deacon? Or are ash ministers acceptable?

I went to a church today where there were three ash ministers, with these words, "Repent and live the gospel."

Maybe it was wrong, but I was so bothered when I got home that I washed off the ashes. Serves me right for going for local convenience - this is the church I walked out of during an Easter Mass.

Mrs


14 posted on 02/21/2007 7:27:57 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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I'm never quite certain of how to properly dispose of blessed palms.

They need to be burned (or buried). One time when I was moving, I tried to burn a buch of accumulated palms. I placed them in a metal can and lit them. Even though they were very dry, they didn't burn very intensely or quickly. I think I relit them a few times. Maybe it works better when one has a large bunch of them.

15 posted on 02/21/2007 8:00:19 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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**Seems the staff ran out of palm leaves and decided a store-bought fire log would have to suffice. **

We return the dried out palms to church for a ceremony where they are burned for the ashes on Ash Wednesday. There are always plenty of last years palm leaves and plenty of ashes.

PS. If your church does this, do it on top of a couple of sheets of heavy foil so that the ashes will not be contaminated by anything else that has been burned.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 8:23:33 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**I went to a church today where there were three ash ministers, with these words, "Repent and live the gospel."**

Although most Catholics may be familiar with the “Remember that you are dust and to dust you will return.” The Church also provides an alternative prayer when ashes are distributed. “Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel,” which is taken from Mark 1:15.


17 posted on 02/21/2007 8:30:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The Church also provides an alternative prayer when ashes are distributed. “Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel,” which is taken from Mark 1:15.

Really? When did this change take place? Is there an official directive concerning this change. It would be great if you could post a link. Thanks

18 posted on 02/22/2007 5:55:25 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=1922412
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I am not aware of any permission for lay people to distribute ashes outside of the USA. In the USA there is no permission for lay people to distribute ashes in Mass.

The Roman Missal has "The priest then places ashes on those who come forward, saying to each: ..." (page 77)

The Ceremonial of Bishops has:

"257 After the blessing, the appointed minister, a concelebrant or a deacon, places ashes on the bishop, as the bishop bows before him, and says, Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel or Remember, man, you are dust and to dust you will return.

258 Then the bishop again puts on the mitre and, seated at the chair or standing, places ashes on the concelebrants, the ministers, and the faithful. The bishop may be assisted if necessary by some of the concelebrants or deacons."

endquote


Me here. The alternate wording is valid. The use of EMHC to distribute ashes seems to be an abuse, but a widespread one. Seems like an oversight in the law.


19 posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:43 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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Next year, try something different, like middle eastern dishes. Hommous and Tabouli or Felafel served up in a wrap with lettuce, tomatos and tahini sauce ... yum! These will scintillate your palate while meeting lenten regulations. They're absolutely delicious! The bonus, of course, is that you will be consuming the very same dishes once cooked by the Blessed Mother and served up to our Lord.

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What a good idea! I do get tired of tuna salad. Last Friday, Mr. Trisham was inspired and made a shrimp pizza.

20 posted on 02/22/2007 6:53:46 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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