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To: Andrew Byler

A few things: Since you apparently are wiser than both the previous pontiff (r.i.p) and the current, I would suggest you contact Rome so they know that this 35 year endeavor supported fully by both John Paul II (probably a saint) and Benedict XVI (too soon to comment on his sanctity) is a waste of time...it's your Christian duty!

There is an Anglican Rite approved in certain dioceses, so I'm presuming you're just disconcerted about its limited availability. Do you know of bishops explicity opposed to the Anglican Rite in their diocese?

Lastly, if they're interested in "nothing" more than their own rite, they should not be allowed in the Church. An interest in Truth would put correct mariology, ecclesiology (qua papal authority), and moral theology far above liturgical tastes in their order of priorities. I know plenty of Catholics who line up perfectly on all the Church's moral teachings but have whack (although not theologically heretical) liturgical tastes, shall we grant them their own rite too?

Although there's some sarcasm here, I pose this all in charity and mainly enjoy the give and take of good logical dialectic. After all, I'm a seminarian so I'm not allowed to be uncharitable ;)


5 posted on 02/20/2007 3:49:43 PM PST by Squire of St. Michael
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To: Squire of St. Michael
Since you apparently are wiser than both the previous pontiff (r.i.p) and the current, I would suggest you contact Rome so they know that this 35 year endeavor ... is a waste of time

In the 40 years Anglicans and Catholics have been "talking" about reunion, the Catholic element among the Anglicans has gone from a position of dominance to one of nothingness, and the Anglican Church has adopted wymyn priestesess, bishopesses, homosexualism, abortion, free denial of Christian dogmas like the Resurrection, Virgin Birth and Atonement, and it has destroyed its liturgical heritage. If a path of reconciliation was a glimmer in 1966, it is nothing but a black splotch of darkness today.

There is an Anglican Rite approved in certain dioceses, so I'm presuming you're just disconcerted about its limited availability.

There is an Anglican USE, not an Anglican Rite. There are no seminaries to train future Anglican Rite/Use Priests, no Anglican Catholic Colleges, etc.

Do you know of bishops explicity opposed to the Anglican Rite in their diocese?

Yes, most of the ones with a large Anglican/Episcopalian population and no Anglican Use Parishes. For example, in this country, Cardinal Phoney Baloney Mahoney in Los Angeles refused to reconcile several entire Episcopal parishes in the 1977-1983 period who petitioned to become Catholic. In Wisconsin, Illinois, California, and the Philadelphia Episcopal diocese (eastern Pennsylvanian) and the New York Episcopal diocese, despite the presence of many Anglo-Catholics and many Catholic converts from the Episcopal Church, and many rebellious Anglo-Catholic parishes there are no Anglican Use parishes in the Catholic Church, and no effort made to welcome the Anglo-Catholics. In England and Wales, the Bishops and the Bishops Conference have always refused any recognition of the Anglican tradition and have prevailed upon Rome to not allow the continuation of Anglican traditions by English converts. There is no Anglican use in Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, despite there being many disillusioned Anglicans among them.

There are similar groups among the Lutherans in this country and in Scandanvia, who hold the Catholic Faith and would like reconciliation to Rome in a Lutheran-Catholic Rite. See here: http://www.ecclnet.org/

Lastly, if they're interested in "nothing" more than their own rite, they should not be allowed in the Church. An interest in Truth would put correct mariology, ecclesiology (qua papal authority), and moral theology far above liturgical tastes in their order of priorities.

The people I am referring to hold the Catholic Faith, accept Catholic morality and place themselves under papal authority. They venerate Mary and the Saints. The pray for the Holy Souls. They are more Catholic than most American Catholics. The major stumbling point I've seen has been a total lack of communication back from the Catholic Church towards them because of a fear of upsetting the ecumenical fantasy of reuniting Canterbury to Rome. I am speaking of men like Bishop Keith Ackerman, the Episcopal Bishop of Quincy, IL, who told me point blank that if Rome were willing to let him remain Bishop, and his priests as pastors, and the diocese to maintain its Anglican worship and traditions, he would reconcile his entire diocese to the Catholic Church. The Bishops of San Joaquin and Fort Worth Episcopal Dioceses are of a similar mind, as are the priests and parishes in Forward in Faith, the Traditional Anglican Communion, the seminarians produced by Nashotah House, and elsewhere.

Its the same old problem we've seen in this country that drove the Ukranians and Rusyns out of obedience to Rome to produce the Orthodox Church in America and the Ukranian Orthodox Church, that caused the Polish National Catholic Church schism, and that keeps the Greek and Russian Orthodox in fear of our hand of friendship. The same attitude is still abroad in some of our supposedly most traditional Bishops, such as the current ordinary of St. Louis, Raymond Burke, who in the midst of his diocese collapsing around him with the continued population drain of St. Louis, has found the time to focus his persecutions on the ethnic Polish Parish of St. Stanislaus Kostka. It is impossible for men such as this to inspire trust within people who hold the Catholic faith, but practice something other than standard-fare Irish-American Catholicism.

6 posted on 02/20/2007 6:35:28 PM PST by Andrew Byler
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