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To: AnalogReigns; Ottofire; wmfights
I think Greco-Roman anti-body ideas seriously infected the medieval Church.

All sorts of pagan beliefs were incorporated into the anti-Scriptural veneration of a woman.

"THE CULT OF THE VIRGIN MARY
PSYCHOLOGICAL ORIGINS"
by Michael P. Carroll

9 posted on 02/18/2007 11:32:00 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Even if Luther and Calvin believed in Mary's perpetual virginity they didn't attach a person's salvation to the belief, at least as far as I can tell.

Thanks for the ping to the current Islam thread. This thread has joined the two in my mind, along with the Nativiity thread and the undisturbed hymen theory.

It became a theology by invagination. A theology so bereft of respect for the greatest of Mysteries that it's hard to measure.

And in light of that, I would say that similarities exist between Islam and Catholicism in their views of women and the fullness that is brought to the world by them.

The Popes who have openly honored Islam have done so based on Islam's understanding of Mary, despite Islam's detestation of the Trinity and their view that the Trinity, such a weakling of a God, is no match for their Allah. These Popes would kiss the Koran and offer a gesture of respect towards a Mosque but never think of doing the same for the King James Version of the Bible or a Protestant Church.

There is an icon and or painting, and I don't know the name of it, but it pictures Mary in resplendent hues holding the God-man as King or Prince, I'm not sure which, but it has a very odd feel to it. Christ looks to be a man in his face, but his little body (which doesn't really look like the body of a baby or infant either) rests on her knees. Do you know the one I'm talking about?

Finally, while the New Testament does refer to Jesus as the New Adam, to the best of my knowledge there is no reference to a or the new Eve. The Scriptures are silent on the perpetual virginity of Mary and they are even more silent on that moment of the human conception of Our Lord's Blessed Mother within the womb of St. Ann. In these instances there is no sedes doctrina to be found, and so to link a person's salvation to belief in these is anti-Sts. Peter and Paul, and at odds with the Gospel of St. John.

10 posted on 02/18/2007 12:53:57 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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