Posted on 02/10/2007 4:24:02 PM PST by NYer
Tomorrow - Part II
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Job 40:1-4
The LORD said to Job: Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him? Let him who accuses God answer him!
Then Job answered the LORD : I am unworthy—how can I reply to you? I put my hand over my mouth.
I submit the entire books of Job and Ecclesiastes for review.
I would assert almost the opposite. Good, independent of faith through Christ is parlayed into evil by the Adversary. An incredible temptation exists to make order out of chaos or build worldly systems, cosmic systems, which are very good for the short term, but whenever they are made without faith through Christ, they are ultimately good for nothingness.
IMHO, human good in worldly thinking tends to be invoked far more often, on a daily, hourly, if not continual basis by many believers and unbelievers alike.
The occurence of good, as in human or worldly good, void of divine good by faith in Christ, is IMHO a much greater temptation to man turning away from God than the occurrence of evil. Evil in many fashions tends to remind people of the law, whereas human good deceptively fools the carnal Christian into thinking they are performing good works for God when they are simply living by worldly standards.
It might also be noted that God loves order being made from chaos, i.e. the world, but only when performed through faith in Christ.
Buuuuuummmmmmmp.
St Paul had me pegged. I was very angry with God when my Dad died at 42 leaving 5 kids. I was even angrier when the youngest of the 5 was killed in a car accident. Then I became a man with a well developed set of beliefs and a never ending thanks for our God who gave us the greatest gift of all, freedom.
Absolutely!!! So often when I point to the 'feminist and/or homosexual' movements as being the source of problems in contemporary society, people have responded with "Get with it! This is the 21st century" - like this was a radically new concept. Ecclesiastes reminds us that "everything old is new again. There is nothing new under the sun". Job, on the other hand, helped me get through an 11 year stretch of difficult times. No matter how bad things were, Job had it far worse.
Thanks for the reminder!
A very positive approach to life. He also gave you a Dad for a portion of your life. So many children today, live with single moms. They have never known what it is like to have a father.
Good point. Anyone who tries to serve Jesus outside the Church He established generates chaos.
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Good article. Mention in passing either the Devil or evil and see what happens to conversation.
Despite the stupid assumption that G-d would not allow evil to exist, the fact is quite the opposite: the existence of G-d is absolutely essential to have evil.
Only G-d can define objective good and objective evil. Atheists find themselves in the predicament of defining for themselves "objective" evil in a world they hold is meaningless, when in a meaningless world objective evil could not exist.
Many people might cringe at the idea of G-d being responsible for evil, but G-d is responsible for everything. He did not have to create the universe but did so. By bringing into existence something other than himself G-d made evil possible. According to the midrash, already before Adam had even been created the earth rebelled against G-d when he commanded it to bring forth `eitz-peri `oseh peri ("trees of fruit bearing fruit") and it instead brought forth `eitz `oseh peri ("trees bearing fruit"). For this disobedience the ground was cursed at the expulsion of Adam. The same ground later tried to aid Cain by swallowing the blood of his slain brother Abel. There is also a midrash about the creation of the sun and moon in which the moon protested that "it is impossible for two monarchs to wear the same crown," for which it was reduced.
What all this means is that, since G-d cannot reproduce Himself, His creating something other than Himself is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Many chr*stians try to deal with this by positing that G-d created a perfect, sinless universe into which sin was introduced by Satan. This makes Satan a co-creator of the world, G-d forbid. But (contrary to chr*stianity), Satan is not a fallen angel but is merely doing his various jobs assigned to him by HaShem (as is illustrated in the Book of Job). Furthermore we know that G-d Himself created both the good and evil inclinations and placed them within Adam (this is the meaning of the two yods in Genesis 2:7 (Vayiytzer HaShem 'Eloqim 'et-Ha'Adam). Each of the two Yods is a reference to each of man's two yeitzers (inclinations)--good and evil. Add on top of this that the first human sins were committed by the perfect, unfallen Adam and Eve and it becomes obvious that G-d created the possibility of sin. Then on top of all that is the fact that everything that has ever happened or ever will happen is governed by G-d's Providence.
This we see that G-d is the sole creator of the world, not the "co-creator" with Satan, G-d forbid.
Atheists are stupid when they look at mass murder and other atrocities and then, to answer some perverted and self-defined sense of "justice," remove HaShem from the world. They are left with all the mass murders but they can no longer be said to be objectively evil.
Idiots.
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Christians don't believe that Satan is co-creator either.
They certainly believe that G-d created a perfect, sinless universe until Satan came along and ruined everything.
There's a small denomination called "Two Seed in the Spirit Predestinarian Baptists" who do indeed believe that only the good inclination comes from G-d, while the evil inclination comes from Satan.
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Well, Satan=Bad, no doubt about it. That's not the same as being a co-creator, though.
Satan does his job(s). Chr*stians think he's a "fallen" angel who "rebelled" against G-d and mucked everything up. They even call him "the 'gxd' of this world." He is not a fallen angel, he is not in rebellion, and he never was "gxd" of anything. G-d is in control of everything, including evil.
The dualistic chr*stian view of a "good gxd" and "evil gxd" at war with one another is a violation of actual Monotheism.
This is not a correct description of Christian belief, it is like a caricature of Christian belief.
G-d is in control of everything
Yes, God is in control of everything.
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I'm not sure how you came to this understanding, but it is not correct. We Catholics have never considered Satan to be "a" god or God.
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