Formal Tartan
I learned never to sit on cold metal folding chairs in the winter in kilts.
Posted on 02/08/2007 9:06:56 AM PST by Gamecock
That's one scary story. Four years old?!? Imagine the people who said yes. (((shiver)))
Formal Tartan
I learned never to sit on cold metal folding chairs in the winter in kilts.
I don't think people are that naive. I think it's #1.
I know the feeling x. It isn't that you can't forgive, it's that you can't forget. And you'd give a lot to forget. And it's theological in this sense, they've linked God with the terror and abuse in a very big way.
A good theological question is: "Is he still a Roman Catholic?"
Very good question and observation.
Yes, he is. In fact, ANYBODY who has received a valid Trinitarian Baptism (I'm assuming this includes you) is in some limited sense a Catholic. Should you ever receive the Grace to abandon your wayward ways (;'}) and enter full communion with the Church, you would not be "rebaptised".
"What the hell is that guy up to?" when it is a Church Leader (priest) being discussed, IS a theological question.
Yes it is, and it's also a theological question when the malfeasant minister is protestant. Or "I'm-not-a-protestant". And this gets back to my point. It's a natural human tendency to associate personal virtue in general with truth-telling. And the opposite. This tendency is embodied in the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem. Satan knows this, and accordingly attacks ministers. How many folks have been "turned off" by the Catholic priest scandals, and the various misbehaviours of protestant and evangelical ministers of all stripes? How many people can't see the Gospel, because their eyes are clouded by the scandalous behaviour of some supposed ministers of the Gospel?
You don't know; I don't either. But we all know it isn't zero.
There are "powers and principalities" behind this.
You're probably right ... just covering all bases.
In any case, I don't care if it's two men, two women, or two asexual green-skinned aliens from the Planet Zork, my 4yo is NOT getting in their bus. Further discussion to be taken up with Messrs. Smith and Wesson.
Well, I don't think it's a good question, but it is a question. And it's been answered many times of FR. The RCs tell a formerly baptized Catholic that they're "only one confession away" from being a member of the fold again.
And that's because the RC erroneously believes that their priestly baptism has conferred a salvation neither you nor I possess. Ex-Catholics are viewed as "lapsed Catholics," not Protestants.
Amen. A strong father is a family's greatest protection. 8~)
It's interesting to me that there I also know about stories like this, but it was a non-Catholic "Christian" who was the perpetrator.
I know personally of such stories and the people inflicting harm were not Catholic, but of other denominations.
Perhaps the lesson for any of us to learn is that bad examples are bad examples--true--but not at all the picture in a "macro" sense.
There are truly good and honorable priests, pastors, ministers and lay faithful.
"Whatsover things are good---think on these things".
It is very soul-healthy and peace-giving to accentuate all the good things that we have experienced or have heard about. The more we do this, the more that good penetrates our lives and environmrent and we can share that life-giving peace of heart with others.
"Where evil abounds, grace abounds more".
They would not enjoy a conversation with my Dad. I'm certain of it. If anyone will claim he is not a Catholic and prove he is not a Catholic, then it is him. What is interesting, though, is that the baptism + abuse conferred upon him an immunity from rejection.
So, in his own mind he is not an RC. In their mind he is.
It's a fascinating question to me. (As his son, of course it would be.) I don't think others would get the same forbearance that he's been granted.
I have seen such abuse with my own eyes and heard far worse. But back in the day, kids had no rights.
He's welcome to heap abuse upon me, if he's so inclined. Doesn't change the answer. Truth is Truth.
And another thing that takes it into the realm of theology, in my view at least, is that when something is fairly widespread then some question of formation comes into play. How were these people formed by their church. We knew the nuns as the brides of Christ, because that's what we were taught.
All this said, I doubted very early on a bit of what they were teaching me. When I returned to the church after being away for a couple of decades and I began to become better catechized my doubts only increased and I don't really think that's linked to my bad experiences. I don't believe all of what they teach. I don't believe it. And the orthodox priests I encountered were exactly in the same mold as those I knew as a kid, nothing really had changed and yet I had the sense because of Vatican II, that something had changed. It was schizophrenic.
Ah, well, some Scriptures are not kosher enough in the raw for a family forum, I guess.
Beautiful.
Our son wants a tartan wedding. He's got the kilt; now he just needs a girlfriend. 8~)
Assuming that the two of you were baptized using the Trinitarian formula, your baptism is viewed by the Catholic Church as sacramental, and confers the exact same salvation. It was decided in the early Church that even laypeople could validly baptize if they had the correct form, matter, and intent.
The reason why the lapsed Catholic can return to the Church simply through a single confession is that it is assumed that the lapsed Catholic has been properly educated by the Church. Even so, it isn't uncommon for the revert Catholic to come back to the Church via RCIA or further catechesis by a priest. An example that I know of is one of the professors at my college who returned to the Church and went through RCIA with his wife, who was raised Protestant.
As a side note, it's only Protestants who view priestly baptism as "erroneous"... remember that the Catholics and Orthodox here likewise view your lack of ministerial priesthood as "erroneous." And the first group of Protestants were lapsed Catholics.
And the first group of Protestants were lapsed Catholics.
Well, Calvin would be included in that "first group of Protestants" and he certainly objected to Rome's understanding of Baptism.
Here's a good comparison of the different views of baptism...
He knows of what you speak.
I went to Catholic school in the 1970's as well...Who are you trying to kid? Sadly, Catholic education was not exactly very instructive on the articles of the faith then. Just because someone sits in a classroom as a teenager doesn't mean he learned anything of value there...
Regards
Why was he being beaten? Did you get the other point of view of the story?
Regards
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