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To: Cvengr

I'd agree about 99% with you.

Technically, "good works" (Agathos ergon) can only be done by believers working via holy spirit, thus are blessed by God.

However, if Jesus is God, the believers are doing greater works than God.

Jesus himself promised that those of the church of the body would do greater works than he and I can believe that, but I cant believe that those same believers can do greater works than God.


89 posted on 02/06/2007 9:33:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

IMHO, we both stand on shakey ground attmpting to argue the point in either direction. This is not to be lukewarm on the topic, rather by acknowledging God provides all faith to us, when we in our volition choose to worship Him, lay ourselves out not doing anything but His will, then we are in fellowship with Him. He has created us body, soul , and reborn in spirit, so by remaining in fellowship with Him in all things, He performs His good work in us.

He also created us to perform good works, but those are only Divinely good if performed through faith in our Lord Savior, Christ Jesus.

There are also many doctrines regarding the indwelling of all three persons of the Godhead in us, however, any bickering over which is God, IMHO, is a very slippery slope where even if one side has the right conclusion, it might be thought of improperly in the emiricism or possibly rationalism, or perhaps even linguisitcally in semantics or syntax, to where either side might slip out of truth, thereby argueing from a scarred soulish position rather than through faith in Him that had remained in fellowship with Him throughout.

I suspect that there are many believers in God through faith in Christ, who might not correlate the exact meaning of the Trinity. Nevertheless, He builds us up, faith upon faith, further sanctifying us.

IMHO, there is probably more importance in remaining in fellowship with Him in all things, all being members of the royal family of God, not relying on arrogance nor upon egotism, but only upon Him, His santifying us at His pace, by His plan, and always with us obedient to His will.

0;^)
With that said, there is the right perspective and the wrong perspective. IMHO, The perspective of the God revealed to us in three persons is right. hehehe


91 posted on 02/06/2007 10:00:25 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Eagle Eye

BTW, there have been some comments in this dialogue regarding the nature of oneness. I suspect there may be a considerable amount of insight provided by word studies and close introspection of our anthropology, as well as, perceiving wheather certain actions of God were attributable to the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit, regardless of one's past theological conclusions.

I know my heart rejoices at Uncle Chip's posts discerning the actions of the Father, discerned from the Son, discerned from the Holy Spirit.

I've also found a wealth of guidance as to how man should think, decide, act, and exercise faith by studying our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, coupled with the principle of love with the Father and all humanity. These issues always seem to reveal so much regarding the human spirit, which is completely blinded to the unbeliever and carnal Christian. Even moreso, the entire topic, if I were to try an communicate with my fellow man, I find to be so well phrased and exemplified in Scripture, that the Bible puts all other sophisticated human writing to shame.

From Kant to Pearce, I know no more rigourous communication by writing than the Scripture, not to mention the living nature of that edifice in us while we remain in fellowship with Him, thereby allowing the Holy Spirit who indwells us to perform His good works in and through us even more.

Each believer has their own proper pastor-teacher who has been Divinely inspired with spiritual gifts to communicate His Word to other believers. Not all believers have the same pastor-teacher, so it isn't appropriate for me to condemn your position (even though I'm right ;^), however there may be other situations which as long as we all remain in fellowship with Him, He is preparing us for to perform His good works through us.

As an added bonus, He has given us volition, and when we choose to abide in Him, and through faith perform those works, He provides us with wisdom and we have another hope for those rewards predestined for us in heaven since eternity past for our Lord and Savior to reward as He sees fit.

(Of course, I must admit I suspect those who don't think He is God might leave a good number of rewards unclaimed on the heavenly table as an eternal memorial of their foolishness, but that's not for me to decide, but for our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus to whom all glory, honor, power, might, wisdom, praise, and riches are to be given.)


92 posted on 02/06/2007 10:18:44 AM PST by Cvengr
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