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To: 1000 silverlings
p.s.

You might want to look into Matthew 28:19 as well:

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, ***baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost***:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJV

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"While no MS. of the first three centuries is inexistence, we do have the writings of at least two men who did actually possess, or had access to MSS. much earlier than our earliest now in existence. And there were others who quoted the passage of Matthew 28:19 in those early times.

Who were these men? When did they write? Has they access to very early MSS.? Were they reliable and exact? How did they quote Matthew 28:19? These are the questions that must be answered."

*snip*

"Eusebius As A Witness:

There were several men of this name. The one with whom we are concerned is known as Eusebius Pamphili, or Eusebius of Caesarea. He was born about 270 A.D. and died about 340 A.D. He lived in times of gross spiritual darkness, he was a Trinitarian, and later in life he assisted in the preparation of the Nicene Creed...."

*snip*

" According to F.C. Conybeare, "Eusebius cites this text again and again in his works written between 300 and 336, namely in his long commentaries on the Psalms, on Isaiah, his Demonstratio Evangelica, his Theophany ...in his famous history of the Church, and in his panegyric of the emperor Constantine. I have, after a moderate search in these works of Eusebius, found eighteen citations of Matthew xxviii. 19, and always in the following form: "

"Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you."

from:

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew2819.html

Why would one of the greatest trinitarians leave out the greatest proof-text of the trinity from his writings?. Because it wasn't in the manuscripts that he had access to? Do a google search, there's plenty more out there.

259 posted on 02/11/2007 8:56:35 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2

It's a moot point to argue anyway as God is obviously in heaven, always was, Jesus is in heaven and the HS comes down from heaven. The fact that they bear witness is the important part-- earth or heaven makes no difference because God is everywhere.


261 posted on 02/11/2007 9:39:22 AM PST by 1000 silverlings
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Cyprian quoted Matthew 28:19 circa 250 AD: "'Go therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit'. He suggests the Trinity in whose sacrament the nations were to be baptized".

While the Johannine Comma may be questionable, Matthew 28:19 is not questionable.

262 posted on 02/11/2007 9:58:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Diego1618

Are you saying that two of the most important verses used to support the trinitarian doctrine have been proven to be falsified????

I'm shocked, I tell you, just shocked! /sarcasm

Maybe Dan Rathers helped write the Bible?


263 posted on 02/11/2007 12:07:46 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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