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To: Oliver Optic; Wings-n-Wind; Thinkin' Gal

The doctrine of the trininty has more holes than a collander at a shot gun range.

The Bible CLEARLY says that there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus.

God is invisible. Jesus was visible.

God is without begining and Jesus had a 'genesis', a birth, a beginning.

God is not a man that he should lie, nor the son of man that he should repent. Jesus was/is a man and was repeated referred to, even referring to himself as 'son of man'.

Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God.

If Jesus was God, then Jesus clearly promised that believers would do greater works than God because, he (Jesus) would go to his father. (If Jesus is God then who is the son of God? Jesus?)

God cannot be tempted with evil yet Jesus was tempted in all ways...

So before you yahoos start in with your John 1:1 stuff, answer the CLEAR as written and in context words from the Bible.


15 posted on 02/05/2007 11:47:16 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
It seems you have some very firm opinions and high-powered metaphors --- have fun with those....

IF.... you are interested in a thorough and objective expository catalog of Biblical concepts and Christian doctrine... but presented down here at the "every-man" level where even I can appreciate the scholarship...

I recommend -- simply as an exercise in your own investigation... this is a well-thought-out linear analysis... Agian, just a polite suggestion...

Foundations of Christian Doctrine
Kevin J Conner (& others)

Enjoy...

16 posted on 02/05/2007 11:55:19 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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To: Eagle Eye
The doctrine of the trininty has more holes than a collander at a shot gun range.

As I see it, EE, none of your arguments poke any holes in the doctrine of the Trinity. You are not so much disproving the Trinity as you are denying the incarnation.

If you accept the biblical truth of the incarnation ... that "the Word became flesh" ... all those arguments you made against the Trinity really become irrelevant.

21 posted on 02/05/2007 1:18:36 PM PST by Oliver Optic
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To: Eagle Eye
"The doctrine of the trininty has more holes than a collander at a shot gun range."

It does?

Man has a body, soul, and spirit. The spirit is all those things that combined form self, or the person. The body is the machine that supports the functions of spirit in this world. The soul is the Heavenly body that supports the functions of spirit elsewhere. Man is a trinity. As per Gen 1:26-27, man is made in the image and likeness of God, us, as it says in Gen 1:26. The image is a mirrored imaged, so God is also a trinity.

"The Bible CLEARLY says that there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus.

John 10:30, " I and the Father are one."

"God is invisible. Jesus was visible."

Man is visible, so is his spirit. His soul is not.

"God is without begining and Jesus had a 'genesis', a birth, a beginning. "

John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

"God is not a man that he should lie, nor the son of man that he should repent. Jesus was/is a man and was repeated referred to, even referring to himself as 'son of man'."

It is true that He was a man. It is not true that all men lie, nor that all men are in need of repentance. See Gen 4. Enoch walked with God. Also, Noah was righteous.

"Jesus is the IMAGE of the invisible God. "

Man is the image of the invisible God, per Gen 1:27. Man is the image of the trinity, per Gen 1:26 and Gen 3:22.

"God cannot be tempted with evil yet Jesus was tempted in all ways... "

God has a free will. What makes you think He can't be tempted? What makes you think temptation causes one to choose evil?

"If Jesus was God, then Jesus clearly promised that believers would do greater works than God because, he (Jesus) would go to his father."

? no comprende...

"If Jesus is God then who is the son of God? Jesus?)"

If Eagle eye is the soul of Eagle eye, then who is Eagle eye, Eagle eye?

John 1:1-2, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."

In the beginning was Eagle eye, and Eagle eye was with his soul, and Eagle eye was his soul. He was with his soul in the beginning. Is Eagle eye the right hand man of his soul?

24 posted on 02/05/2007 2:17:14 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Eagle Eye

"The father and I are one."


62 posted on 02/06/2007 7:37:29 AM PST by dangus
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