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New church group to lease Sacred Heart
The Eagle-Tribune ^ | February 02, 2007 | By Yadira Betances , Staff Writer

Posted on 02/05/2007 8:34:06 AM PST by Cheverus

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To: Pyro7480

Regarding the Paulist center chapel: Yikes!


21 posted on 02/05/2007 12:58:12 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Actually, believe it or not, that picture of the sanctuary at the Paulist Center looks like something of an improvement over previous arrangements. At least there's something that "sort of" resembles a (resurrection) crucifix in the picture. Not so long ago, they had a gigantic white disk mounted on the wall that they used to show slide shows and movies on during Mass. As I recall, a mere stylized cross (no corpus) was superimposed on the disk.

Yeesh!


22 posted on 02/05/2007 1:53:41 PM PST by magisterium
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To: Serviam1

As another parishioner of Holy Trinity, I will also give witness to the content of this post.


23 posted on 02/05/2007 1:55:08 PM PST by magisterium
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To: Andrew Byler

Andy,

In a sense, you might be giving the archbishop and the chancery too much credit with regard to sedevacantist groups. Such groups have been around here for a long time, and the archdiocese has barely even raised an eyelid to notice them. Indeed, the sede CMRI group from Washington State has embarked on a "mission" in the Boston area (waiting like vultures for Holy Trinity to close), and they entice over 300 people every week to show up at their Sunday Mass in a Woburn motel. That's nearly half-again what we can manage at HT. They are openly proselytizing downtown, in the North End, East Boston and other places, and have been at this for at least two years now, yet the archdiocese seems to have been unaware of their presence until members of our parish pointed this out to them last summer! The SSPX and other schismatic or sedevacantist groups have likewise been navigating in our waters without causing a blip on the archbishop's radar. The chancery's response is a yawn.

But! Let this Johnny-come-lately sede group have the temerity to lease a church building that the archdiocese voluntarily sold off, and their hypocritical public angst over "non-Catholic groups" suddenly gets plastered all through the media! The only discernable reason for the sudden archdiocesan "concern" over leading people astray seems to stem from the fact that these folks have set up shop in a recognizable Catholic Church building. They have no discernable concern when such groups set up in storefronts, motels and private homes. This tells me that their "concern" is more about issues of "turf" than the salvation of souls. The scandal adhering to this situation is mind numbing.

Nevertheless, the suggestion that the Holy Trinity Indult community should go into schism itself as some sort of ploy to retain the building is a non-starter. If, in the end, the building is sold out from under us, such action will be a canonical malfeasance resting on the archbishop's head alone; we will not sin ourselves by becoming schismatic in an uber-pragmatic mind game with God to save our church. God forbid! Our situation is not the first in which loyal members of the Catholic Church have been persecuted from within. It doubtless won't be the last, either. We must still have faith that, even now, God will provide the just and equitable solution we have all been praying for over these nearly three years. Legal canonical remedies are still very much at our disposal. In those measures and in less tangible ones, God WILL provide for us; we need to trust His lead.


24 posted on 02/05/2007 2:24:49 PM PST by magisterium
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To: magisterium

That is just so strange. I can't imagine what they were thinking.


25 posted on 02/05/2007 2:28:56 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You should see their icons (I kid you not!) of "Saint" Oscar Romero, "Saint" Martin Luther King, and several others! Why, if I were the cardinal archbishop of Boston, I'd throw the Paulists out of my diocese bodily, tear down the Paulist Center, exorcise the ground it sat on and build something "nice" for...say... the Fraternity of Saint Peter!

But, then, I'm not the archbishop! The Paulist Center will likely survive all of us by 500 years at the rate things are going in Boston to the present. Yet hope survives!


26 posted on 02/05/2007 2:33:53 PM PST by magisterium
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To: trisham

Don't try. It's impossible. Just remember that this is the place John Kerry ran to for his photo-op, sacrilegious communion stunt in '04, and things will fall into place for you as well as one could hope.


27 posted on 02/05/2007 2:39:30 PM PST by magisterium
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To: magisterium
Just remember that this is the place John Kerry ran to for his photo-op, sacrilegious communion stunt in '04, and things will fall into place for you as well as one could hope.

*************

Why am I not surprised at that?

28 posted on 02/05/2007 2:48:43 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: magisterium
Actually, a cause for Romero's beatification and canonization was opened 10 years ago, and Pope John Paul II bestowed upon him the title of Servant of God. Salvadorans often call him "San Romero,"--- though it's not official --- but that's how canonizations normally take place: by the investigation and recognition of a local "cultus."

You can read more about Romero's proposed canonization HERE, if you can read Spanish.

As for MLK --- naaah. For one thing, wrong denom.

29 posted on 02/05/2007 2:51:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pastores vos dabo.)
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To: Cheverus
Other than that statement of their position, their web site is essentially a place holder. Any idea of their origins?

They began in 1999 they say as a missionary society but did not become a Domincan Third Order until 2005.

With the group becoming Dominican, and being from New England, did they hook up with Bp. Robert McKenna from Monroe, Connecticut? While he was ill a couple years ago he had a a priest assisting him at the chapel who did celebrate Mass also in Massachusetts.

Bp. McKenna is not sedevacantist but rather sede-impeditist.

30 posted on 02/05/2007 3:51:49 PM PST by Youngstown
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I clicked on that Paulist link: good golly, what are those --- things --- they have on the wall? A large, wooden Preying Mantis? And some kind of a Sikh symbol?

Good golly indeed. Not to worry, this group is operating with permission of the Bishop so there is no need to be concerned. /sarcasm

31 posted on 02/05/2007 4:09:11 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Understood about Romero's cause. But this icon appeared at least 15 years ago, and, in any case, it's not a "done deal" yet where the "Saint" title can be presumed.


32 posted on 02/05/2007 4:19:04 PM PST by magisterium
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To: Salvation

Do you give us a link or two on Pax Christi dissent --- not just political wrongheadedness, which is stupid but not heretical --- but actual offenses against the Catholic faith?


33 posted on 02/05/2007 4:25:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Interested.)
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To: murphE
I remember The Paulist Center soooooo loooooong ago that it was actually Catholic and, indeed, quite Catholic (three Masses an hour, 24-hour a day confessions).

You and I often disagree but NOT on the Paulist Center. God bless you and yours.

34 posted on 02/05/2007 4:37:13 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Our Lady's Warriors>Dissent>Dissenting Organizations>Pax Christi

This might be a start for you. I haven't done a web search yet.

Pax Christi
(cited in Renew 2000)
This group may be the most widely recognized leftist organization to American Catholics. Long a proponent of nonviolence, Pax Christi promotes "action to transform structures of society." Aligned with liberation theology, "ecological justice," and the usual litany of modernist demands. A member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.

35 posted on 02/05/2007 4:56:42 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: magisterium; Serviam1
the archdiocese seems to have been unaware of their presence until members of our parish pointed this out to them last summer! The SSPX and other schismatic or sedevacantist groups have likewise been navigating in our waters without causing a blip on the archbishop's radar.

The Archdiocese is quite aware. They just don't care enough to do anything other than fulminate back to these groups if they bother to write the Archbishop a letter calling him to task. In fact, they like it that all the "trouble makers" are voluntarily leaving, which leaves them a much freer hand to implement the continued destruction of God's vineyard.

the suggestion that the Holy Trinity Indult community should go into schism

It was a joking suggestion. But also half-serious to point out the sadness of the situation.

we will not sin ourselves by becoming schismatic

Its impossible to be in a situation of the sin of schism when it involves people like Bishop Lennon who are themselves clearly not spiritual members of the vine of Christ which is the Church, even though these dead limbs have yet to be visibly pruned, because their every action aims towards the decomposition of the Church. One should not fear a lack of communion with the reprobate. Lets not forget that these men are the coddlers of child molestors, the lovers of homosexual Priests, the implementers of "talking about touching", the closers of Churches, and the facilitators and encouragers of iconoclasm and eucharistic blasphemy, and the enablers of abortionists and their political supporters. To be their enemy is a badge of honor.

36 posted on 02/05/2007 6:05:35 PM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: magisterium; Serviam1
the archdiocese seems to have been unaware of their presence until members of our parish pointed this out to them last summer! The SSPX and other schismatic or sedevacantist groups have likewise been navigating in our waters without causing a blip on the archbishop's radar.

The Archdiocese is quite aware. They just don't care enough to do anything other than fulminate back to these groups if they bother to write the Archbishop a letter calling him to task. In fact, they like it that all the "trouble makers" are voluntarily leaving, which leaves them a much freer hand to implement the continued destruction of God's vineyard.

the suggestion that the Holy Trinity Indult community should go into schism

It was a joking suggestion. But also half-serious to point out the sadness of the situation.

we will not sin ourselves by becoming schismatic

Its impossible to be in a situation of the sin of schism when it involves people like Bishop Lennon who are themselves clearly not spiritual members of the vine of Christ which is the Church, even though these dead limbs have yet to be visibly pruned, because their every action aims towards the decomposition of the Church. One should not fear a lack of communion with the reprobate. Lets not forget that these men are the coddlers of child molestors, the lovers of homosexual Priests, the implementers of "talking about touching", the closers of Churches, and the facilitators and encouragers of iconoclasm and eucharistic blasphemy, and the enablers of abortionists and their political supporters. To be their enemy is a badge of honor.

37 posted on 02/05/2007 6:14:17 PM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: Cheverus

It would be nice if the protesters protested their pro abortionist pols as strongly in the Commonwealth including their two senators.


38 posted on 02/05/2007 6:15:27 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: Andrew Byler
Honestly, the archdiocesan representatives who were told about the CMRI situation appeared quite blindsided by the information. Either that, or they're wasting even more of our hard-earned collection basket donations on method acting lessons.

I'll take you at your word about the schism suggestion. Fine. But it read like a serious proposition to consider.

I disagree concerning your observations about the likes of Bishop Lennon. Anyone who knows me would know that I have little use for him or any of the other bishops who were here as the abuse mess/closure fiasco unfolded. I think you go to HT at least from time to time; you can ask others about this if you need corroboration. Rob (serviam), for one, who has already posted on this thread, knows who I am. The bishops acted in a way that should give them chills whenever they read Matthew 18:1-14 or Luke 12:48, and, apart from the respect due to their office, they shall receive none from me with regard to that element of respect that is earned apart from official considerations.

Nevertheless, these men ARE the Catholic bishops of our archdiocese. Our union with the Holy Father goes through them, God help us. They HAVE lawful authority, and their extracurricular activities and monstrous personal behavior are quite beside the point unless and until Rome removes them from their current ecclesiastical standing. It is not our job to judge their interior dispositions or equate outward failings with inherent inability to exercise episcopal authority. We are not Donatists.
All the same, we are certainly within our rights to bring their behavior, manifest lack of pastoral care and disregard for the paramount importance of the Church's primary mission concerning the salvation of souls to the Holy Father's attention, and let him - via the curia, no doubt - make the appropriate decisions about their continued tenure here. Until then, we can, in the spirit of Matthew 18, virtually shun these people for the crimes you cite and others not mentioned; we can call them to task for the canonical crime they are committing in the process of closing Holy Trinity Church; we can consider their PC blatherings about social justice to be worthy of nothing else but placement in litter boxes and bird cages, but we cannot simply pretend these men are not the bishops in our diocese and thereby go into schism from Rome.

In the Old Testament, half of the kings of Israel and Judah, along with a sizeable number of the high priests, were overt idolators. Nevertheless, the authority due to their offices was retained. The Old Testament is indeed fulfilled in the New, and our situation in Boston is a mirror image to common situations in long-ago times. Do you not suppose that, in His own good time and in His own good way, Almighty God will raise up for us shepherds who will replace the current crop of wolves who plague our Church, even as He restored fidelity to the Law after the Babylonian Exile? We live-out a form of exile now. We should pray all the harder for an end to it. And we still have denunciation of these evildoers to Rome to fall back on... ;-)
39 posted on 02/05/2007 7:12:27 PM PST by magisterium
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To: murphE

Good point.

The archdiocese of Boston wants us to believe that:

Extremism to retain reverence and clear doctrine is evil.

But

Extremism to belittle reverence and muddle doctrines and confuse the faithful is not evil?

And I write this as one who has only been to 2 Tridentine Masses in my entire life, years ago - so I am no devotee of that Mass.


40 posted on 02/05/2007 11:10:37 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Post-9/11 Volunteer Active Duty OEF Vet Lawyer (who is too dumb to understand Kerry's apology))
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