*Oh, gee. Now you are getting all personal and whatnot. And calling me a fool. You claim you interpret the Bible solely through what Jesus says. Riddle me this - what does Jesus say about one who calls another a fool?
I have committed no heresy. You simply don't agree with my interpretations, which is your right.
*Yeah you have. Catholic Doctrine Teaches Genesis is not a myth. You write it is. That is called heresy.
You have chosen to repetitively bear witness that I am a heretic, and you consider this "acting". It isn't acting at all, other than in the prima donna sense of the word.
* No. I have never written you are a heretic. I have written what you write is heresy. Now, the question is - do you believe what you write? Who knows? You have already posted writings you later claim you don't really believe; that you wrote that was as part of a dialogue.
If you want to truly ACT, then go and get authority - which you are not - to discipline me. Of course, he might discipline you instead. A heresy charge is a very strong thing to be flinging about.
You're not an ordained clergyman. You're a peer. You don't like what I have to say. You've chosen to start shouting "Heresy!" from the rooftops. Apparently at least one other Catholic agrees with you, although he has not addressed me directly about this.
*Trust me,brother. MANY agree with me. It is obvious you write you embrace beliefs contrary to what the Catholic Church Teaches.
You have no greater authority in the Catholic Church than I do.
* What sort of standards do you operate with? Earlier you wrote you accept the authority of the Church. Them, a few sentences latr you made it clear you are the one with final authority. So, don't short-change yourself. I am but an obedient son in the church. You judge it. Far from me having equal authority with you is the reality of what you write. According to what you write, you have supreme authority. What good would it do to produce a mere priest when you reject the Church itself?
You have called me a heretic - serious charge.
* No. I have identified as heresy what you write.
I have called you "opinionated".
* You left out "handsome", zealous" and "combative." I feel slighted.
To this I will also add "bearing false witness". Keep it up in public, you are doing a marvelous job of explaining just why it is that there was a Reformation in the first place!
*I think it is just the opposite. Public scandal,public heresies, etc, left uncorrected leaves the impression those things are sine qua non of Christianity rather than the opposite.
Time was, folks like you could silence whoever you disagreed with with a charge like that hurled from the rooftops, and if someone with as much concern for the faith didn't knuckle under to your loudmouthed approach, he would be put to the torture for it and killed. Lots of clergymen sent themselves to hell doing this, and ended up blackening the name of the Catholic Church forever for it.
*In what world? Scandal, heresy etc have always been with us. They always will. All the Christian Church needs is more men.
Here in the 21st Century, you are their heir.
*Heir Bornacatholic. I like it. It has the ring of authority, don't you think?
I have committed no heresy whatever.
*Sure ay havee. What you write is directly opposed to Humani Generis and the Catechism.
What I said about Genesis, especially, was mirrored in the quotations from the bishops' committee in the front of my Catholic Bible which I quoted last night.
* So? Do you think a preface to a particular edition of the Bible has more authority than a Papal Encyclical? Besides, that preface didn't include anything about Genesis equivalent to what you wrote.
You have borne false witness again and again, and I am certain you are going to do it yet again.
* Heir Bornacatolic vants to see your papers...
Which is not just spiritually unwise on your part (you do not know of what you speak), but certainly confirms everybody's suspicions of what the Catholic Church is REALLY like, when you drill past the facade.
* Yeah. And it ain't seen often enough, brother.
Spiritual Works of Mercy
* To instruct the ignorant;
* To counsel the doubtful;
* To admonish sinners;
* To bear wrongs patiently;
* To forgive offences willingly;
* To comfort the afflicted;
* To pray for the living and the dead.
*I thnk I have done my job as a Christian.
Except of course that the Catholic Church is NOT really like that, I am well within it, and you're a nobody without authority pretending that you have it.
* Nobody? You prolly won't believe me, but, that is a GREAT Blessing
Rather than continuing to bear false witness against me for violating your idea of "heresy", go get an ordained minster - surely you know several, given the authority you have taken it upon yourself to act as the public disciplinary arm of the Catholic Church here - and have him, who has authority, come here, read everything that has been posted, and pronounce a decision.
* You already reject the Magisterial Teaching of the Pope and the Catholic Catechism. Is it your idea a priest has more authority?
He may tell me to stop posting what I have posted, although I doubt it. He will certainly tell you to shut up and not fling charges of heresy around again.
* LOL You don't know my Pastor, brother.
I, of course, have no authority to tell you to do so, and if you want to spend your time calling me a heretic, go ahead. I'm no heretic. I'm just a Catholic layman, like you. Your peer. Not your spiritual or hierarchical subordinate.
* Heir BAC has no need of permission from you. Continue to post heretical words and I will continue to admonish,and instruct. I have spoken things as I see them. You have borne false witness. I am sure you will do so again.
*Brother, have you noticed that NOBODY has written Heir BAC has borne false witness,other than yourself, who, some could argue, has a dog in the fight?
And I am certain that, when you do so, I will respond again in kind. It's not much fun, but overbearing people like you need to be put right in your place, which is an exact peer of me in the Church, nothing more. You do not speak for the Church. You speak for yourself but pretend to speak for the Church. It is an ill-advised move, especially when it is laced with calumny.
* LOL I posted the relevant passages from the Magisterium. I am happy to let the onlookers judge who is right. (I am )
Your sin of pride, however, will be on full display again, I am sure. And again and again and again. I have no wish to fight with you, and would prefer to just ignore you, just as many who disagree with me ignore me.
* Heir BAC doesn't not mind being ignored. He has been married many years. He is used to it :)
But you have taken it upon yourself to be the Grand Inquisitor. You have no commission. You have no ordination. You have no authority. You are a nobody presuming to exercise spiritual authority over a peer. And you will not be granted anything other than the same lecture every time you do it. It is not edifying to the Church to see you act this way.
* Yes it is. I took upon myself that duty when I agreed to be Confirmed.
If you have a heresy charge to bring, then BRING IT. I will not hide my identity from any true authority of the Church who wishes to investigate. Go to De Fide or any other group. Go to your priest. Go to the diocese. Go to the Charismatic Renewal Council. Go get a religious cop and bring him to the table and make your charge.
* Brother, don't you understand who it is you are dealing with? What is there in my posts that indicates you can make me change my posts?
Otherwise, stop bearing public false witness against me, repeatedly and stubbornly. It's a deadly sin, as is the flaming sin of overweening pride which drives it.
* I will admonish you,correct you, and instruct you every time you post heretical words that I read.
With Christian charity and brotherly love, I advise you to put a sock in it.
* I am, rhetorically, Heir BAC discalced
You called me a heretic.
Which is to say, you pronounced that I have committed a public sin worthy of excommunication and the death of my soul.
I called you a fool for saying so.
I would be a fool to continue an argument with you, who has no authority. And I do not intend to answer your charges of heresy at all. Go and get someone who has the authority to bring them. We will both talk to him.
You continue to bear false witness against me, and are stubborn in your pride in doing so.
Our communications are a great temptation to you. You should resist that temptation and either let it go, or go and get something with authority to adjudicate the case.