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To: Vicomte13

LOL It is unremarkable that men roar like lions in accusing the Bible and Church as sources of error but mewl like kittens when it is correctly noted their words are heretical.


and far from me acting as though I were in league with Satan, what I have done is Commanded by Scripture and taught as an act of corporal Mercy.

if other Catholics are too timid to act, so be it. I aint


792 posted on 02/01/2007 4:50:49 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

"if other Catholics are too timid to act, so be it. I aint"

No, you are not afraid to be a loudmouthed fool, bellowing charges of heresy over and over and over again.

I have committed no heresy. You simply don't agree with my interpretations, which is your right.

You have chosen to repetitively bear witness that I am a heretic, and you consider this "acting". It isn't acting at all, other than in the prima donna sense of the word.

If you want to truly ACT, then go and get authority - which you are not - to discipline me.
Of course, he might discipline you instead.
A heresy charge is a very strong thing to be flinging about.

You're not an ordained clergyman. You're a peer.
You don't like what I have to say.
You've chosen to start shouting "Heresy!" from the rooftops.
Apparently at least one other Catholic agrees with you, although he has not addressed me directly about this.

You have no greater authority in the Catholic Church than I do.
You have called me a heretic - serious charge.
I have called you "opinionated".
To this I will also add "bearing false witness".
Keep it up in public, you are doing a marvelous job of explaining just why it is that there was a Reformation in the first place!

Time was, folks like you could silence whoever you disagreed with with a charge like that hurled from the rooftops, and if someone with as much concern for the faith didn't knuckle under to your loudmouthed approach, he would be put to the torture for it and killed. Lots of clergymen sent themselves to hell doing this, and ended up blackening the name of the Catholic Church forever for it.

Here in the 21st Century, you are their heir.
I have committed no heresy whatever.
What I said about Genesis, especially, was mirrored in the quotations from the bishops' committee in the front of my Catholic Bible which I quoted last night.
You have borne false witness again and again, and I am certain you are going to do it yet again.
Which is not just spiritually unwise on your part (you do not know of what you speak), but certainly confirms everybody's suspicions of what the Catholic Church is REALLY like, when you drill past the facade.

Except of course that the Catholic Church is NOT really like that, I am well within it, and you're a nobody without authority pretending that you have it.

Rather than continuing to bear false witness against me for violating your idea of "heresy", go get an ordained minster - surely you know several, given the authority you have taken it upon yourself to act as the public disciplinary arm of the Catholic Church here - and have him, who has authority, come here, read everything that has been posted, and pronounce a decision.

He may tell me to stop posting what I have posted, although I doubt it.
He will certainly tell you to shut up and not fling charges of heresy around again.

I, of course, have no authority to tell you to do so, and if you want to spend your time calling me a heretic, go ahead. I'm no heretic. I'm just a Catholic layman, like you. Your peer. Not your spiritual or hierarchical subordinate.

I have spoken things as I see them.
You have borne false witness.
I am sure you will do so again.

And I am certain that, when you do so, I will respond again in kind.
It's not much fun, but overbearing people like you need to be put right in your place, which is an exact peer of me in the Church, nothing more. You do not speak for the Church. You speak for yourself but pretend to speak for the Church. It is an ill-advised move, especially when it is laced with calumny.

Your sin of pride, however, will be on full display again, I am sure. And again and again and again.
I have no wish to fight with you, and would prefer to just ignore you, just as many who disagree with me ignore me.

But you have taken it upon yourself to be the Grand Inquisitor. You have no commission. You have no ordination. You have no authority. You are a nobody presuming to exercise spiritual authority over a peer.
And you will not be granted anything other than the same lecture every time you do it.
It is not edifying to the Church to see you act this way.

If you have a heresy charge to bring, then BRING IT.
I will not hide my identity from any true authority of the Church who wishes to investigate.
Go to De Fide or any other group. Go to your priest. Go to the diocese. Go to the Charismatic Renewal Council. Go get a religious cop and bring him to the table and make your charge.

Otherwise, stop bearing public false witness against me, repeatedly and stubbornly. It's a deadly sin, as is the flaming sin of overweening pride which drives it.

With Christian charity and brotherly love, I advise you to put a sock in it.

Peace.



795 posted on 02/01/2007 9:03:34 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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