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To: wagglebee
Now, I presume we are in agreement that the One who will crush Satan's head is Jesus Christ, so can we also agree that "the woman" must be His Mother?

On that I agree, but there are a number of Roman Catholics who read the verse the in the way that it was Mary who crushed the serpents head, not Jesus. My comments were that that the early texts can lean either way, with as many pointing to Jesus as implying Mary.

682 posted on 01/31/2007 6:15:54 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
From Douay-Rheims:

"She shall crush"... Ipsa, the woman; so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin: others read it ipsum, viz., the seed. The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head.

So, I think we are in agreement that Jesus Christ is the One who does the actual crushing.

But my point is about the previous part of the verse. Clearly, there are four beings talked about: Satan and his seed, the woman (Mary) and her Seed (our Lord) -- would you agree with this?

684 posted on 01/31/2007 6:22:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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