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To: P-Marlowe; sandyeggo; Vicomte13; pjr12345; xzins; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock

Jesus said to the THIEF on the cross..."THIS DAY you will be with me in Paradise."

And that thief did nothing more than believe. He said, "Remember me when you come into Your kingdom."

No baptism, no rosary, no penance, no indulgences....just the Bullet Express to Paradise.


331 posted on 01/29/2007 6:22:20 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: P-Marlowe; sandyeggo; Vicomte13; pjr12345; xzins; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
From http://www.mtc.org/cana.html

Rome did not arrive at its dogmatic positions hastily nor lightly. She is the product of many centuries of gradual departure from the true faith of the Church found in the Word of God. For instance:

This is Rome. These are the dogmas we associate with Rome. They are unscriptural. All of them are the very antithesis of New Testament doctrine.

337 posted on 01/29/2007 6:36:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

"And that thief did nothing more than believe. He said, 'Remember me when you come into Your kingdom.'"

Au contraire: that rebel was hanging there for hours and hours and hours enduring some of the most hideous torture that the human mind has ever devised. Jesus was experiencing it too.
AND he respected Jesus' second commandment, telling his colleague in crime to shut up and leave the poor innocent Jesus alone.
AND he respected Jesus' first commandment, simply, by believing.
So, there was the expression of faith, and of compassion, both of which were redemptive.
The extent to which the man's long suffering on his own cross, to die of broken legs and suffocation, was the purgatorial balloon payment on his sins we won't know until we die and ask the question, if we care at that point.


363 posted on 01/29/2007 7:23:19 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: xzins

Three things:

1) God can grant any dispensation He wishes;

2) This dispensation to the thief was granted before the institution of the New Covenant (Christ had not yet died for his sins).

3) Jesus was God's own hand-selected passover sacrifice offered in accordance with and fulfillment of the Old Testament covenant. In the OT sense, the thief's faith in that sacrifice was in full compliance with the Law.

For one or both reasons listed above, this case has no bearing on anyone else in conjunction with the requirements of the New Covenant. They remain in full force for the rest of us.


377 posted on 01/29/2007 8:07:41 PM PST by pjr12345
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