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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"Pick up the Bible and read it. It's all there."

All Paul, all the time.
No Jesus in your list.

Read Paul in light of, and limited by Jesus.

The way you are using those passages from Paul, you are overriding Jesus (and James) by Paul.

Pick up YOUR Bible and read the Gospels.
Read all of those DO's and DON'Ts of Jesus.
Are we to presume that he meant "For the next few weeks. And then, after that, I'll be dead and you don't have to worry about all of these moral rules and charitable acts I've been harping on for two years, because that won't REALLY matter then, all y'all hafta do is BELIEVE!"
Not what Jesus said.
Can't be what Paul meant, either, in light of what Jesus said.

We have a Bible conflict here.
Paul really does seem to be saying precisely your doctrine.
Jesus is saying precisely my doctrine.
So, who do we follow, Saul of Tarsus, or the Son of God, hmmmmm....think, think, think...


189 posted on 01/29/2007 1:49:06 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

The Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew is a really GREAT place to start.


192 posted on 01/29/2007 1:53:45 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Vicomte13
We have a Bible conflict here. Paul really does seem to be saying precisely your doctrine.

Well, I think that's progress. There is no more faithful saint than Paul.

Pick up YOUR Bible and read the Gospels.

"As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them." -- John 17:2-10

We do "charitable acts" because they bring glory to His name. They are the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit. They are not payment for salvation. Nothing can earn God's mercy. It is freely given according to His good pleausure. The incorrect understanding of Christ's one-time, eternal, perfect and complete justification of His sheep is at the heart of Rome's error.

"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." -- Hebrews 9:24-28


200 posted on 01/29/2007 2:08:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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