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To: bornacatholic
As for me, the simplest explanation that fits the facts is the best explanation

*Me too.

INNOCENT IV 1243-1254

"Sub Catholicae" to the Bishop of Tusculum,....

23. Finally, since Truth in the Gospel asserts that "if anyone shall utter blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, neither in this life nor in the future will it be forgiven him" [cf. Matt. 12:32], by this it is granted that certain sins of the present be understood which, however, are forgiven in the future life, and since the Apostle says that "fire will test the work of each one, of what kind it is," and " if any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire" [ 1 Cor 3:13,15], and since these same Greeks truly and undoubtedly are said to believe and to affirm that the souls of those who after a penance has been received yet not performed, or who, without mortal sin yet die with venial and slight sin, can be cleansed after death and can be helped by the suffrages of the Church, we, since they say a place of purgation of this kind has not been indicated to them with a certain and proper name by their teachers, we indeed, calling it purgatory according to the traditions and authority of the Holy Fathers, wish that in the future it be called by that name in their area. For in that transitory fire certainly sins, though not criminal or capital, which before have not been remitted through penance but were small and minor sins, are cleansed, and these weigh heavily even after death, if they have been forgiven in this life.

*Huh. Imagine that. The Church's Teaching IS more understandable than yours. And, it has the advantage of being authoritative...

188 posted on 01/29/2007 1:48:30 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
INNOCENT IV 1243-1254

Is this the Innocent that orchestrated the killings of millions non-catholics throughout the world? Or was that a different one?

196 posted on 01/29/2007 2:03:35 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: bornacatholic

"*Huh. Imagine that. The Church's Teaching IS more understandable than yours. And, it has the advantage of being authoritative..."

Not MY teaching, Bub, Jesus Christ's teaching, in the Gospels.

What you gave me in a long and convulted medieval paragraph Jesus gave me in one single word: Gehenna.

Of course the Church gets around to being right, more or less, because the Holy Spirit doesn't let her err gravely on matters of faith and morals.

But no, that medieval paragraph is most certainly neither as understandable, nor as precise, as Jesus of Nazareth's one word: Gehenna.


326 posted on 01/29/2007 6:07:59 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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