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To: bornacatholic; ArrogantBustard; GCC Catholic; HarleyD; blue-duncan; AlbionGirl; P-Marlowe; xzins; ..

Context, context, context. Judas was doing a superstitious act since under the law, the idol worshipers were to be dealt with without mercy. Under the law they were not to be considered part of Israel or under the blessing of the Covenant. None of them had fallen in godliness as the verses say, so what's the point? An exercise in futility is the foundation for a doctrine? If that's the case why not create a doctrine for calling on the dead saints for help like Saul did with Samuel?

38: Then Judas assembled his army and went to the city of Adullam. As the seventh day was coming on, they purified themselves according to the custom, and they kept the sabbath there.
39: On the next day, as by that time it had become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kinsmen in the sepulchres of their fathers.
40: Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was why these men had fallen.
41: So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden;
42: and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43: He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection.
44: For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
45: But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.


102 posted on 01/29/2007 12:40:04 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
43: He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection.

Superstitious acts are not good and honourable. Judas acted well and honourably. The very verses you quote destroy your point. Thank you for posting them.

108 posted on 01/29/2007 12:44:22 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: blue-duncan
context, context,context results in purgatory being disproven?

LOL wrong, wrong, wrong

You TOTALLY ignored what the Church taught about those men and substituted your own eisegesis anchored in-the-oral-traditions-issuing-from- the-16th-century-schismatics and I am supposed to accept that as authoritative?

I follow the 2000 + year old Church Jesus established as the Pillar and Ground of Truth not a Core-like Schism (Numbers 16) a few hundred years old.

122 posted on 01/29/2007 12:54:29 PM PST by bornacatholic
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