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The Doctrine of Purgatory
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Eschatology/Eschatology_006.htm ^ | Unknown | Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J

Posted on 01/29/2007 6:45:51 AM PST by stfassisi

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To: Vicomte13

I was looking at the Greek.

Hierus


481 posted on 01/30/2007 9:06:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

482 posted on 01/30/2007 9:07:49 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: Running On Empty

I "know" it the same way you "know" it? Through hearsay, possibly even outright lies!


483 posted on 01/30/2007 9:09:20 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: pjr12345
Beer Poetry . Yes, you read that right. Here's an example:

Robinson Crusoe
He sits upon the coral strand,
so full of ale he cannot stand.
He's emptied the wreck
of its dark oak kegs,
carried them ashore on nerveless legs,
But he waves not at ships however near,
This old sailor won't share his beer.
-Robert Louis Hornblower

484 posted on 01/30/2007 9:15:11 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I'm more of a red wine person. Medicinal purposes...

from vision loss
http://www.medicinalfoodnews.com/vol02/issue3/wine

from heart risks
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/12/971219062019.htm

from cancer
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=23592

from colds:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1986514.stm

And from death!
http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/010903wine.html


485 posted on 01/30/2007 9:28:33 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: GoLightly

lol. I like your homepage. God be with you.


486 posted on 01/30/2007 9:39:38 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Running On Empty
What transfer are you referring to?

A transfer of Glory. The bible glorifies Jesus not Mary. RC's admit freely that Marian doctrines are not in the bible.

487 posted on 01/30/2007 9:43:15 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: pjr12345; ArrogantBustard
Gilbert K. Chesterton

1905

A new morality has burst upon us with some violence in connection with the problem of strong drink; and enthusiasts in the matter range from the man who is violently thrown out at 12.30, to the lady who smashes American bars with an axe. In these discussions it is almost always felt that one very wise and moderate position is to say that wine or such stuff should only be drunk as a medicine. With this I should venture to disagree with a peculiar ferocity. The one genuinely dangerous and immoral way of drinking wine is to drink it as a medicine. And for this reason: If a man drinks wine in order to obtain pleasure, he is trying to obtain something exceptional, something he does not expect every hour of the day, something which, unless he is a little insane, he will not try to get every hour of the day. But if a man drinks wine in order to obtain health, he is trying to get something natural; something, that is, that he ought not to be without; something that he may find it difficult to reconcile himself to being without. The man may not be seduced who has seen the ecstasy of being ecstatic; it is more dazzling to catch a glimpse of the ecstasy of being ordinary. If there were a magic ointment, and we took it to a strong man, and said, "This will enable you to jump off the Monument," doubtless he would jump off the Monument, but he would not jump off the Monument all day long to the delight of the City. But if we took it to a blind man, saying, "This will enable you to see," he would be under a heavier temptation. It would be hard for him not to rub it on his eyes whenever he heard the hoof of a noble horse or the birds singing at daybreak. It is easy to deny one's self festivity; it is difficult to deny one's self normality. Hence comes the fact which every doctor knows, that it is often perilous to give alcohol to the sick even when they need it. I need hardly say that I do not mean that I think the giving of alcohol to the sick for stimulus is necessarily unjustifiable. But I do mean that giving it to the healthy for fun is the proper use of it, and a great deal more consistent with health.

The sound rule in the matter would appear to be like many other sound rules - a paradox.Drink because you are happy, but never because you are miserable. Never drink when you are wretched without it, or you will be like the grey-faced gin-drinker in the slum; but drink when you would be happy without it, and you will be like the laughing peasant of Italy. Never drink because you need it, for this is rational drinking, and the way to death and hell. But drink because you do not need it, for this is irrational drinking, and the ancient health of the world.

488 posted on 01/30/2007 9:43:46 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

In other words... don't cry in your beer!

(or wine, or whatever)


489 posted on 01/30/2007 9:45:54 AM PST by pjr12345
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To: ArrogantBustard
Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,

There's always laughter and good red wine.

At least I've always found it so.

Benedicamus Domino!

490 posted on 01/30/2007 9:48:37 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
Drink because you are happy, but never because you are miserable.

Absolutely.

491 posted on 01/30/2007 9:49:41 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: bornacatholic
Na zdrovye
492 posted on 01/30/2007 9:52:42 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pjr12345

I'm not a dry Presbyterian, but I think a lot of those studies are encouraged by the liquor industry.

Red grape juice does the same thing for our arteries.

More than two drinks a day raises the odds for all kinds of invasive diseases.


493 posted on 01/30/2007 9:54:44 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: pjr12345; Vicomte13
E-Sword.net is a pretty good (and free) resource. If you can read Greek or Hebrew, it lets you tab a translation and compare it with whatever text you want to.
494 posted on 01/30/2007 9:55:17 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; Gamecock; xzins

"She is, in fact, a veritable one-woman shrine of Lourdes."

I cherish the little hanky she blessed that I keep under my pillow to keep away the wild elephants. It is still working long after her assumption.


495 posted on 01/30/2007 9:57:35 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: ArrogantBustard

I missed the stuff about beer?!!

Nuts.


496 posted on 01/30/2007 9:57:35 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: blue-duncan; Kolokotronis; P-Marlowe; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg

Purgatory, Lourdes, and Kathryn Kuhlman.

Where's Mary Baker and Tammy Faye?

If there were a purgatory (which there ain't), Tammy and the BigHair lady from TBN probably owe 10,000 years for each eyelash and each pound of make-up.

They both always wanted millions....:>)


497 posted on 01/30/2007 10:04:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: blue-duncan
It is still working long after her assumption.

lol. No pachyderms is powerful proof!

Care to divide it up and sell it?

498 posted on 01/30/2007 10:05:57 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan
If, God forbid, you were run over by an automobile and killed today, do you think yourself so free from worldly attachments and venial sins that you would immediately be accepted into Heaven? R U that pure a Christian?

Or,maybe, do you think that even you need to undergo purgation, which, for most of us,is the final step in our Sanctification

499 posted on 01/30/2007 10:08:01 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanx. Tho I never met her, I know Auntie Esther was my kind of people. ;o)


500 posted on 01/30/2007 10:10:08 AM PST by GoLightly
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