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To: Uncle Chip; kerryusama04; DouglasKC
I'm sorry it has taken so long to get back to you but you have forced me to take another look at this Zerubabbel/Shealtiel part of Jesus' genealogy.

These passages have caused much confusion to many folks throughout the years and have provided fodder for disbelief among some because of the problem. I am glad you are willing to take another look.

[Jeremiah 22:24-29] As I live -- an affirmation of Jehovah, Though Coniah son of Jehoiakim king of Judah Were a seal on My right hand, Surely thence I draw thee away And I have given thee into the hand of those seeking thy life, And into hands of which thou art afraid, Into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, And into the hand of the Chaldeans. And I have cast thee, And thy mother who bore thee, unto another country, Where ye were not born, and there do ye die. And to the land whither they are lifting up their soul to return, Thither they do not return. A grief -- a despised broken thing -- is this man Coniah? A vessel in which there is no pleasure? Wherefore have they been cast up and down, He and his seed, Yea, they were cast on to a land that they knew not? Earth, earth, earth, hear a word of Jehovah. And verse 30....This is what the LORD says:"Record this man as if childless a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah."

That was the groundwork for the curse against Jeconiah; i.e. Coniah; i.e. Jehoiakhin. All three names acceptable in scripture. The curse stipulates that no descendant through this line will ever sit on the throne of David or rule again in Judah. Many folks use this argument to attempt to prove that Jesus could not possibly be the Messiah because of the genealogy in Matthew 1:11-13.

But....the curse was removed [Haggai 2:20-23] And there is a word of Jehovah a second time unto Haggai, on the twenty and fourth of the month, saying `Speak unto Zerubbabel governor of Judah, saying: I am shaking the heavens and the earth, And have overturned the throne of kingdoms, And I have destroyed the strength of kingdoms of the nations, And overturned chariot and its charioteers, And come down have horses and their riders, Each by the sword of his brother. In that day -- an affirmation of Jehovah of Hosts, I take thee, Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, My servant -- an affirmation of Jehovah, And have set thee as a signet, for on thee I have fixed, An affirmation of Jehovah of Hosts!

So....even if this were a genealogical (DNA) line down to the Saviour, any dispute about the curse still being in effect is hereby refuted. No one could then say that the crossing of the line into Mary's genealogy would prevent Our Lord from assuming the throne of David. But....the only things these two sets of Shealtiels and Zerubbabels have in common.....is their names.

Jesus is therefore descended legally from David through Joseph and genetically through Mary. His bloodline ancestry thereby goes back through Nathan....not Solomon. Because of the previous curse through Jeconiah it would have been physically impossible for anyone descending through Zerubbabel to be the Messiah therefore the only way out is ......a virgin birth to a woman of Judah who is betrothed to a man of Judah, descended from Jeconiah which enables the virgin born son the legal heritage necessary to occupy the throne of David, while meeting the prophecy to be a physical descendant of King David. This narrows it down to one person, Jesus of Nazareth.

[Matthew 1:13] Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor.

[Luke 3:27] the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel.

Two different Zerubbabels.

[1 Chronicles 3:17]The descendants of Jehoiachin the captive:Shealtiel his son, Malkiram, Pedaiah, Shenazzar Jekamiah, Hoshama and Nedabiah. The sons of Pedaiah: Zerubbabel and Shimei. The sons of Zerubbabel: Meshullam and Hananiah. Shelomith was their sister. There were also five others: Hashubah, Ohel, Berekiah, Hasadiah and Jushab-Hesed. The Zerubbabel who is the son of Pedaiah has no descendants that are named the same as the Zerubbabels in Matthew and Luke.

I think this Zerubbabel was a cousin of the son of Shealtiel..... who evidently is his uncle....Pedaiah being Sheltiel's brother. Shealtiel's son is not mentioned here.

Zerubbabel was evidently a very common name. Makes you want to bang your head against the wall, doesn't it? Anyway, I think the whole exercise is designed to give proof for the virgin birth and it narrows it down very well.

So, I don't know what to think about that. What think ye?

You sound just like Bill O'Reilly....LOL.

15 posted on 01/31/2007 5:45:12 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
You sound just like Bill O'Reilly....LOL.

O'Reilly? O'Really!

16 posted on 02/01/2007 3:49:35 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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