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To: bornacatholic
neither instance involved infallibility

Nice dodge, but you're wrong.

In the case of Galileo the Pope said: "The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture."

The Pope also said:

"The proposition that the Earth is not the center of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith."

Was the Pope infallible when he said that?

L

22 posted on 01/26/2007 3:35:40 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Lurker
Why ask me questions when you reflexively gainsay my responses? I posted the explanation. You reject it.

C'es la vie.

I could not care less, brother. I have fulfilled my Christian Duty before God and man.

23 posted on 01/26/2007 3:39:05 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Lurker

>> In the case of Galileo the Pope said: "The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture." <<

The Pope was correct and Galileo was wrong.

>> "The proposition that the Earth is not the center of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith." <<

Any scientist would acknowledge that Galileo had failed to prove his assertion, and hence was false philosophically. Your selection of quotes is hardly an abuse of context; I'd certainly submit that mine is ordinarily read as a far less natural was of reading it, but it is interesting that the Pope considered the notion of a stationary Sun heretical, but declined to do so for the motion of the Earth.

In any event, the Pope cannot said to be infallible of such matters, since they do not involve matters of moral doctrine. This is more of an instance of a Pope simply getting the facts wrong of ordinary events. The various condemnations and restorations of many souls, including other popes, makes clear that the popes never thought they couldn't contradict previous' popes discernment of such matters.


82 posted on 01/27/2007 7:44:12 AM PST by dangus
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