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To: siunevada; Lil Flower; Campion
Once in a while I speak to him. Until now, I had no idea that the Bible says I worship him as an idol.

With all due respects, is your father a Saint as defined by the Roman Catholic Church, do you take your troubles to him on a regular basis, and do you feel that he will intercede for you? These are all rhetorical questions. I hope you understand the difference.

76 posted on 01/26/2007 4:06:44 PM PST by HarleyD (Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt - Lev 19:17)
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To: HarleyD

Interesting RCC idolatries:

Praying to St. Anthony to find lost objects

Having two lit (or not) candles held against your throat on St. Blaise' Day to protect you from winter colds

Having the ashes of burnt palm leaves rubbed in the shape of a cross on your forehead for Ash Wednesday (still haven't figured out the idea behind this one!)

My personal favorite: Burying a statue of St. Joseph upside down in your front yard to expedite the sale of your home.

Erecting "shrines" in various locations in honor of "anyone dead but Jesus" - sort of like the temples revering the various Roman gods.

Not to mention some of the more obscure ones (You guessed it! The ones listed above are COMMON!) like self flagellation, re-enacting the crucifixion, retracing the stations of the cross through Jerusalem on your knees, etc.

I'd love to hear the RCC explanation of why these practices are not idolatrous. I need a good laugh!


77 posted on 01/26/2007 4:24:17 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: HarleyD
is your father a Saint as defined by the Roman Catholic Church,

I presume you mean a formally canonized saint, one who in life demonstrated heroic virtue in his devotion to God. Mmmm, don't think so, but with God all things are possible, right? In another RC sense, yes I do think he's a saint:

946 After confessing "the holy catholic Church," the Apostles' Creed adds "the communion of saints." In a certain sense this article is a further explanation of the preceding: "What is the Church if not the assembly of all the saints?"479 The communion of saints is the Church.
479 Nicetas, Expl. Symb., 10:PL 52:871B.

962 "We believe in the communion of all the faithful of Christ, those who are pilgrims on earth, the dead who are being purified, and the blessed in heaven, all together forming one Church; and we believe that in this communion, the merciful love of God and his saints is always [attentive] to our prayers" (Paul VI, CPG § 30).

do you take your troubles to him on a regular basis,

Troubles? No. I imagine he still expects me to stand on my own two feet.

and do you feel that he will intercede for you?

If it's necessary. Just because I think he's in heaven I don't think his love and concern is diminished. You remember what Jesus said to the Sadducees: "have you not read what was said to you by God,
'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

100 posted on 01/26/2007 7:39:58 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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