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To: ScubieNuc
Mark, Luke and John only record Peter saying that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and nothing about Peter being the foundation of the church

John doesn't record the incident at all, but attests to Petrine primacy in a different way (John 21:15ff). Luke also has a passage attesting to Petrine primacy (Luke 22:31-32).

Mark has none. Tradition indicates that Mark was closely associated with Peter. It is likely that his gospel was closely based on Peter's recollections, and would not have made anything special of Peter out of Peter's own modesty.

39 posted on 01/26/2007 8:36:42 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
John doesn't record the incident at all, but attests to Petrine primacy in a different way (John 21:15ff). Luke also has a passage attesting to Petrine primacy (Luke 22:31-32).

Wow! I truly don't see how you read in those passages Jesus saying anything along the lines of Peter having "primacy." What you do find is Jesus warning Peter of denying Jesus three times (Luke 22:31-32), and Peter responding to Jesus, after His resurrection, "I phileo you" three times (John 21:15 and following).

Mark has none. Tradition indicates that Mark was closely associated with Peter. It is likely that his gospel was closely based on Peter's recollections, and would not have made anything special of Peter out of Peter's own modesty.

If the Pope came and told you directly to lead your churches High School Sunday School, would you do it and proclaim how you had the authority to do so? If you didn't proclaim it, so that people would know where you got your authority, do you see where problems would arise? Besides, most of your support comes from oral tradition and guesses.

All in all, you have only one verse, when read outside of the overall context, that seems to support Peter as the "rock" of the Church. Pretty weak, I'd say.

Sincerely
47 posted on 01/28/2007 1:35:53 PM PST by ScubieNuc (I have no tagline.)
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