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To: StAthanasiustheGreat; Blogger; PzLdr; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman; ...

Alex6 is not one you'd willing grant ex-cathedra authority to.

What really strikes me with this is the time. It was late 1400's and early 1500's. This parallels the formative years of Martin Luther's life. By 1517 Luther had posted his theses on the door of Wittenberg about the buying and selling of forgiveness of sin by another pope of that era. No wonder many in the Reformation saw the pope as anti-christ.

Luther preached justification by faith. The times he lived in Justified the necessity for someone to Protest.





8 posted on 01/25/2007 4:58:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

correction:

willingLY grant...


9 posted on 01/25/2007 4:59:46 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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Alexander VI was truly an evil man, and contained in one person the germ of truth behind most of the myths of the wretched evils of the medieval popes. The priests of the Vatican refuse to accept his body for burial, until forced to by papal decree of his successor, Pius III, who refused him a funeral mass (for the repose of his soul) on the grounds that it was blasphemous to pray for the damned.


10 posted on 01/25/2007 5:10:58 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: xzins
There were problems with the Church hierarchy at this time.

However, this does not mean that Luther's remedy was the correct one.

When a sick man visits a physician, the doctor must do two things; a) diagnose the sickness and b) prescribe a remedy. Just because the correct diagnosis has been made, it does not automatically follow that the correct remedy has been administered.

Many people fall into this trap with Luther. Pointing to the scandalous behavior of certain Popes and Cardinals, they then proceed to try and justify a whole new ecclesial theology and way to salvation. God has provided the Church with great saints who've reformed the Church from within at certain points in history.....St. Francis of Assisi, St. Dominic, St. Teresa of Avila, St. Ignatius, St. Augustine and several others.

Luther's "remedy" initiated a fracturing of the Body of Christ. It made the patient sicker. In fact the sickness continued for the Reformation has never stopped. It is ongoing today. Even as we speak, someone is nailing his own theses to a Church door somewhere in dissatisfaction with his pastor, synod, diocese or whatever and starting anew with his own personal version of the road to salvation in that great American tradition of the custom-made church.

As for Borgia, it's fair to say he'll never be canonized, nor will his father. I disagree with the bishop's decision, in this case. Bury him in a decent grave, mark it in the customary respectable way and leave the man to rest.

11 posted on 01/25/2007 6:05:21 AM PST by marshmallow
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Alex6 is not one you'd willing grant ex-cathedra authority to.

What heresy did he proclaim to the Church? He actually was considered a very able and careful administrator of the Church, whatever one believes of his personal life.

15 posted on 01/25/2007 6:39:55 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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Dear xzins,

The charism of infallibility is about our trust in the Holy Spirit, not in any particular individual who ascends to the Chair of St. Peter.


sitetest


27 posted on 01/25/2007 7:30:18 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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