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To: Vicomte13
Um, I'm not sure where to start.

First, you never answered why you posted "like Jesus did." In all your Constitution/Amendments example, I never got the meaning of why you posted that. It looks to me like you are attempting to discredit the validity of the NT. The reason I say that is because I have gotten the same kind of answer when debating homosexuals and atheists. Maybe, you didn't mean that, but you certainly didn't clear up why you posted that.

The Bible tradition is not superior in authority to the rest of the traditions of the Church. The Church is the final authority which organizes and regulates the rest.

Hmmm. You are saying that the Bible is another tradition and that the oral tradition is inspired along with it. I'll admit, I haven't seen that angle before. You strangely make "the Church" (which I will assume you mean the Catholic Church) as the final authority. Strange that you left God out as the final authority. You also give "the Church" all the regulation. No mention of the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

In all your writing you never attempt to support it with Scripture. Now, I know that you don't hold it higher then your oral beliefs (now written), but when you know you are trying to show God's guidance of your beliefs to a Non-Catholic, How do you expect me to even consider it? Just because you say so? I don't think so.

If you believe the Bible to be the Truth, then use it to convince me, otherwise this is useless bandwidth.

It is ultimately a question of authority.

True. I submit myself to the authority of God through the Holy Spirit as revealed in the Word of God (imperfectly, but you get the point). You submit yourself to the authority of the Catholic Church.

Imagine standing before our Lord and thinking of two possibilities....1) Catholics are right in their traditions and I failed to follow them. When God asks why I didn't do them, I will say that I studied your Word, God, and found no support for them.

Or 2)Catholics are wrong on their non-Biblical traditions and they failed to stand on the Word of God. What will you say? I did it because these men hundreds of years after your son lived/died/and rose again, told me it was important???

If you don't have any problems with that scenario, then there is probably nothing more I can say to you to convince you of your folly.

Sincerely
545 posted on 01/26/2007 3:22:55 PM PST by ScubieNuc (I have no tagline. I wish I did. If I did, it would probably be too long and not fit completely on t)
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To: ScubieNuc

This is horrendously depressing.

I just wrote a long, careful, point-by-point response to what you wrote, and sent it.

And it does not appear. I think it was lost.

Grrrrrrr.


546 posted on 01/26/2007 4:36:06 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: ScubieNuc

I cannot reproduce all of that.

I'll just try shorthand.

I posted "like Jesus did" to make the point that God Incarnate didn't think writing things down was as important for establishing authority as you do.

It is true that I have not offered much scripture in what I have said thus far here.

If Scripture is the only authority that you will accept, then we can have that discussion, and you will discover at the end of it that Scripture supports what I believe as a Catholic. You might even modify some of your beliefs.

I am perfectly willing to enter into a discussion that rules all traditions or other sources other than the Scripture itself, as you and I read it directly, off limits.
Anytime you would like to begin I am ready.


547 posted on 01/26/2007 4:43:42 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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