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To: spunkets
The correct verse that applies to identify a Church is Matt 18:20, "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

And wherever two or three come together in Jesus' name, we have divergent doctrines.

How many "pillars of truth" are there? One, or many?

How many churches did Christ build? One, or many?

Did Christ command us to take our disputes to His Church, or any church? How then could doctrinal disputes be settled in many churches with divergent doctrines? Or did Jesus not expect us to take our doctrinal disputes to His Church? In which case, what was His purpose in establishing many churches holding contradictory doctrines?

337 posted on 01/25/2007 12:11:49 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan

Excellent questions!


338 posted on 01/25/2007 12:12:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Aquinasfan

You confuse a church with The Church. Further, you confuse the spiritual Church of Christ known by God, not wrought by human hands, with a temporal institution of man corruptible by human nature.


341 posted on 01/25/2007 12:15:52 PM PST by pjr12345
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To: Aquinasfan
" And wherever two or three come together in Jesus' name, we have divergent doctrines."

That is not a valid conclusion.

" How many "pillars of truth" are there? One, or many?"

The truth is unique and singular. That is what's important to recognize. The only real pillars of truth are the evidence and logic.

" How many churches did Christ build? One, or many?"

How many children of God are there? Ponder my last post and my answer below regarding the many churches.

" Did Christ command us to take our disputes to His Church, or any church?"

Respectfully, you do not understand my last post.

"How then could doctrinal disputes be settled in many churches with divergent doctrines?"

Doctrine is by nature axiomatic. It is not based on evidence and logic, and is stamped unchangeable, regardless of any evidence and logic that shows it's wrong.

"Or did Jesus not expect us to take our doctrinal disputes to His Church?"

I covered that in the last post. Also, doctrine can not be disputed regardless of the evidence, because it's axiomatic and relies on non-logical operations to be recognized. Once a claim of doctrine is stamped as such, that is the end of it. Even when it becomes clear that the doctrine is false, it remains. It's impossible to dispute doctrine. Ultimately one must pick and choose between doctrines, or reject the illogical nature of doctrine altogether. That means one must pick and choose between organizations that hold different doctrines.

"In which case, what was His purpose in establishing many churches holding contradictory doctrines?"

God didn't establish any church. He asked men to do that and men created and established the many churches.

364 posted on 01/25/2007 1:25:40 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Aquinasfan; spunkets
How many churches did Christ build?

I assume you'd be happy with the answer of "one". Please name it.
397 posted on 01/25/2007 3:18:01 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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