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FAITH COMES BY HEARING--NT ON MP3 [SOLA SCRIPTURA PROVEN]
Quix; Pastor Brent Hedden and FAITH COMES BY HEARING website ^ | 24 JAN 2007 | Quix

Posted on 01/24/2007 5:24:55 AM PST by Quix

FAITH COMES BY HEARING--NT ON MP3 [SOLA SCRIPTURA PROVEN]

By Quix with appendixes from the FCBH website

Pastor Brent, of our church—DESERT HEIGHTS COMMUNITY CHURCH—has partnered with FAITH COMES BY HEARING (FCBH) to collect $25,000 to translate the NT into a South American language. The Seranon sp? people group have had written Scriptures since the late 1800’s as I recall. But the vast majority (90%?) of the population are illiterate.

The organization brings together the copyright holders of at least one major Bible translation with the means and resources of translating Scripture into language groups where there is no Scripture available or where the people are too illiterate to make use of what may be available.

Once the Scriptures have been translated, they are put on a windup MP3 player and given to A MAN OF PEACE in a village in the language group. The man agrees to host all who want to listen once a week—listening for 30 minutes and discussing for 30 minutes. More is an option.

About 6 out of 10 times A CHURCH SPONTANEOUSLY APPEARS—FUNCTIONING, HEALTHY, BIBLICAL. Many times, MULTIPLE CHURCHES ARISE spontaneously—from one MP3 player as it’s shared beyond the original agreement.

CLEARLY HOLY SPIRIT IS WELL ABLE TO INSURE THAT GOD’S WORD DOES NOT RETURN VOID. MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOLY SPIRIT HAS REPEATEDLY MADE CLEAR OVER 30 YEARS THAT HE IS WELL ABLE TO ESTABLISH HIS CHURCH AND MAINTAIN IT’S HEALTHY FUNCTIONING

WITHOUT

ANY BUREAUCRACY FROM THE WEST OR ANYWHERE ELSE. . . .

without any tradition bound, traditions of men infected magesterium;

without any pontifical seminaries;

without any arguments about the original artifacts;

without any trumped up line of political succession;

without any denominational pride, parochialness and haughtily held distinctives;

without any formal or informal inquisitions;

without any arrogant authoritarian doctrinal police;

WITHOUT any elaborate explanations and straight jackets about how GOD CAN’T/WOULDN’T DO IT THAT WAY; GOD WOULDN’T DO !THAT!

WITHOUT anything but GOD’S WORD. TRULY LITERAL SOLA SCRIPTURA.

AND FROM HIS WORD, GOD PERSISTENTLY SPRINGS, BIRTHS HEALTHY ENDURING CHURCHES WHICH GO ON TO MATURE THEIR BELIVERS IN THE FAITH AND TO PLANT NEW CHURCHES.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS. PRAISE GOD FOR HIS ABILITY TO DO HIS WORK without our flesh driven organizations mucking it up.

PRAISE GOD FOR THE FREEDOM OF HIS SALVATION AND LIFE IN HIS SPIRIT!

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Below are some selected portions from the FCBH website with links. I strongly encourage all true believers to consider this organization in their prayers and however else God might lead. Those with translating and other helpful skills and resources might find a place of service that could be very rewarding.

We are a small congregation. Already we are more than 1/5 toward the $25,000 goal of translating the NT into the Seranon language orally—in less than 6-10 months (I don’t recall for sure). It may be something God would lead your church to consider.

BTW, churches who partner with the organization get MP3 format CD’s for their members to listen to Scripture in their homes and cars. FAITH COMES BY HEARING has proven over and over again to be a productive, fruitful blessing in the lives of those of us who have useful written Scriptures. There’s just something about repeatedly HEARING Scripture that is spiritually potent and life-giving.

IIRC, using such methods, it is projected that all the language groups still without Scripture can have it within the next 8-12 years. This should alert all who pay attention to Biblical prophecy . . . related to Scripture being spread to all language groups/people groups throughout the world before Christ’s return.

MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS THE HEARING OF HIS WORD.

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APPENDIXES:

HOSANNA/Faith Comes By Hearing is a non-profit, religious organization founded in 1972. The purpose of the organization is wholly religious: to proclaim Jesus Christ as Lord in all that we do.

Trusting Jesus Christ as our Savior, we believe in:

The Bible as the inspired Word of God. The deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son. The vicarious death of Jesus Christ for our sins, His bodily resurrection and His personal return. The presence and power of the Holy Spirit in the work of regeneration.

Vision Our Vision is to bring His Church together and make disciples.

Mission Statement To accomplish our vision, we are committed to putting every translation of the Bible in audio form, and to implementing Faith Comes By Hearing in every church or village in the world, so that all people, especially the 50% of the world who cannot read, can hear God's Word in the language they pray in.

Hosanna/Faith Comes By Hearing is located in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

More than half the world cannot read and in some countries as many as 80-90% are illiterate. And even people from an oral tradition who CAN read, often learn best by listening.

Faith Comes By Hearing® is dedicated to overcoming every barrier of illiteracy, poverty, or oral culture, so that people around the world can hear God's Word in the "heart languages," find salvation in Jesus Christ and become disciples. The Audio New Testament breaks the barriers, bringing poor and illiterate people to God's Word.

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How it works:

From:

http://www.hosanna.org/HowItWorks.pdf

Local pastors and village leaders commit with their people to listen through the New Testament for at least 30 minutes each week, followed by discussion.

Many sessions are held outdoors for lack of a room large enough to accommodate all who want to hear.

Attendance, testimonies and commitments are tracked and reported to FCBH.

A check is made 6 weeks after placing an MP3 player with the NT. If a church has not spontaneously arisen, the MP3 player is taken to a different village and MAN OF PEACE to host it.

Approximately 6 out of 10 times, a church appears spontaneously--LITERALLY SOLA SCRIPTURA by Holy Spirit’s work through the spoken Word and the hearts of the listeners.

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Pdf report of 30 years of Faith Comes By Hearing here:

http://www.hosanna.org/newsletter_30-yr.pdf

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LANGUAGES THAT MP3 PLAYERS ARE NOW AVAILABLE IN AT THIS LINK:

http://www.hosanna.org/Products/Search_p.cfm?CFID=248914&CFTOKEN=75276606

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In four years, 6,375 people believed . . . from a Wycliffe article here:

http://www.faithcomesbyhearing.com/wfl.pdf

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YWAM article on winning the ORAL MAJORITY from this link:

http://www.ywam.org/articles/article.asp?AID=346&bhcp=1

Winning the Oral Majority Mission agencies rethink outreach to the world's non-literate masses By Dawn Herzog Jewell

Nearly 2,000 years ago, Jesus and his band of disciples proclaimed a revolutionary message through stories, parables, and proverbs. Although few members of the early church could read or write, the message of the gospel took root, owing partly to its method of proclamation. Today, a number of mission leaders are calling for a return to Jesus' oral method of communicating. The majority of the world's people, they say, won't be reached any other way.

"Seventy percent of the world's people today can't, don't, or won't read," says Avery Willis, executive director of the recently formed International Orality Network (ION), a partnership of 22 mission agencies including the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board (IMB), Youth With a Mission (YWAM), Trans World Radio, Campus Crusade for Christ, and Wycliffe Bible Translators.

Since the printing of the Gutenberg Bible, Willis says, Western Christianity "has walked on literate feet," indirectly requiring literacy for evangelism and discipleship. Yet more than 4 billion of the world's people are oral learners. According to the 2004 Lausanne paper "Making Disciples of Oral Learners," nearly 90 percent of the world's Christian workers serve among auditory learners and often use inappropriate, literacy-based communication styles.

ION seeks to equip mission agencies, churches, and individuals in effective oral strategies, and its mobilization of vastly different agencies has already been a feat in itself. "The amazing thing is we've all come with an attitude of what we can give, not what we can get," Willis says. "We've all agreed to leave our logos and egos at the door."

Powered by Partnership Reaching the oral majority for Christ requires communicating in forms familiar to oral cultures, such as stories, proverbs, drama, songs, chants, and poetry.

The Lausanne paper tells the testimony of an Indian Hindu, a pastor named Dinanath, who came to Christ in 1995 through the work of a cross-cultural missionary. When Pastor Dinanath returned to his village in 1998 following two years of Bible college, he began preaching in the way he'd been taught. But few villagers showed any interest, leaving him discouraged and confused.

The next year, Pastor Dinanath attended a seminar on storytelling methods. He realized that a lecture style and printed books couldn't reach his people, so he changed his preaching. He began telling Bible stories and singing gospel songs put to traditional music.

By 2004, his village church had multiplied into 75 churches with 1,350 baptized members. "This is the next wave in missions," Willis says, "like a Gutenberg II."

A former senior vice president for the IMB, Willis saw the door for cross-agency collaboration open in 1995 at the AD2000 and Beyond Movement's Korea gathering. It was there that he publicly repented for the Southern Baptists' pride in believing they could reach the world by themselves. Later, at the Amsterdam 2000 conference, a group of nine mission leaders including Willis formed an informal organization, Table 71, to begin talking about ways to work together. In February 2005, ION was formed.

Willis is quick to cite the gifts of agencies involved in ION: "Wycliffe brings the integrity of Bible translation, the IMB contributes church planting and Bible storying methodology, Campus Crusade brings its global media expertise in the Jesus film and its work on college campuses, YWAM brings its training and recruiting gifts, Trans World Radio has the ability to put stories on radio, and so on."

That's not to say that the agencies agree on everything. Although Wycliffe actively participates in ION, it remains committed to literacy training and Scripture translation for the world's minority language groups. Freddy Boswell, Wycliffe International's vice president for Scripture promotion, hesitates to throw his full support behind the orality movement. "There's an emotional rush to meet oral needs. It's something new and exciting to say, 'Hey, can we do something to reach 70 percent of the world's population?' " he says. "But let's not forget literacy and translation."

Wycliffe still promotes study of the printed Word as the key to evangelism and long-term discipleship.

Morgan Jackson, international director of Hosanna/Faith Comes By Hearing (FCBH), affirms that, ideally, "orality never moves people away from literacy—it moves them to literacy."

Working with Wycliffe and national Bible societies, Jackson's ministry records and distributes Scripture readings around the world. After hearing the Scriptures, many listeners immediately want to read the Bible themselves, Jackson says.

Last year, FCBH joined the Jesus Film Project to test an outreach program in 28 languages. Following more than 4,000 showings of the Jesus film, local volunteers trained by FCBH led weekly Scripture-listening and discussion groups. The results surpassed all expectations. In Nigeria, 10,000 people made decisions for Christ, and 7,900 joined listening groups. Six months later, 42 of the groups had become churches. "Before, when you showed the Jesus film in some places," Jackson says, "people came to Christ, but you could come back six months later and nothing would exist."

It can take time to train cross-cultural workers in oral techniques, which require a greater appreciation for the concrete. Trans World Radio's training courses contrast how oral and literate learners think.

"When we're taught to read and write, one of our first lessons in literacy is categorizing shapes into circles, triangles, and squares," media services officer Tom Tatlow says. "But an oral person would say, 'That's a wheel, a pie, or a box.'"

Thanks to ION and others, oral strategies are beginning to seep into local church missions. At a Finishing the Task conference held in November at the Billy Graham Training Center in Asheville, North Carolina, ION provided each church that selected an unreached people group with resources for oral strategies. Also, one of the five thrusts of the ambitious PEACE plan launched by Saddleback Church's Rick Warren targets literacy. Curtis Sergeant, Saddleback's director of church planting, stocks Saddleback's website with resources for training literacy tutors and employing oral strategies in a range of ministries.

LaNette Thompson, an orality consultant for IMB, has been receiving more requests than she can accept from mission agencies. She says that seminaries and church leaders in West Africa have been slow to accept oral strategies, because Western missionaries have instilled "the expectation that church leaders must be literate." However, Thompson believes gospel storying will catch on with African women, traditionally the storytellers in their families.

In early 2007, ION plans to hold a consultation in Delhi, India. "We really want to raise indigenous leaders on every continent who take this message and do what they need to do," Willis says.

While orality may make headlines in the West, its strategies aren't novel for majority-world Christians, says Scott Moreau, editor of Evangelical Missions Quarterly and chair of Wheaton Graduate School's intercultural studies department. Moreau points to the explosion of the church in Asia, Africa, and Latin America in the last 50 years.

"We might be reinventing a wheel that they've been using a long time," he says. "But it's exciting that we're discovering for ourselves what's going on and using it to the kingdom's advantage."

Dawn Herzog Jewell works for Media Associates International, a communications training ministry. Copyright © 2006 Christianity Today. March 2006, Vol. 50, No. 3, Page 56

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United Bible Societies article here:

http://www.biblesociety.org/wr_402/402_contents.htm

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TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: allcaps; church; ministry; newtestament; palomino; protestant; snakes; solascriptura; translations; whodathunk
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To: Gamecock
I don't know, considering many priests at the time hadn't even seen a Bible.

I'm not so sure about that...something for me to research. Probably most of them had access to at least the NT. Anyway, if it were true it'd be a technicality. Even if a priest didn't have a "Bible" the way we understand it today, he would have said daily Mass and the Divine Office from liturgical books that were loaded with all the most important passages. The reading cycle was sorta different then, but if you attend daily Mass nowadays, for 3 years straight I think it is, you hear the entire Bible cover to cover.

41 posted on 01/24/2007 1:57:25 PM PST by Claud
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To: Quix

The true miracle of the power of God's Word. It is sufficient.


42 posted on 01/24/2007 2:02:34 PM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Gamecock; Quix; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Blogger
I don't know, considering many priests at the time hadn't even seen a Bible.

And when they did see the Bible, it was chained to the altar so no one could get near it other than the anointed few.

43 posted on 01/24/2007 2:06:54 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

Lemme ask you this, Quix. The group of people translating the Scriptures into Seranon--isn't that adding a "layer" of tradition. Suppose they goof here or there--get a word wrong. Translate in a way that, say, makes it sound in Seranon like Jesus is a different God than the Father.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are very conscientious in their goal. In my field I've come across American Indian Bibles (like Eliot's in Massachusett)--some of which were literary gems. But it's extremely difficult to get it right and impossible to get it perfect. We can't even have a perfect English Bible, and thousands of people have been working on that for 500 years.

Maybe you don't see this translation issue as problematic. But it *is* in some sense extra-Biblical, no? Isn't someone making choices/decisions for someone else's Scripture? And might that not color how those people read and understand the text?

Maybe we should teach the Seranon Greek. :)


44 posted on 01/24/2007 2:07:52 PM PST by Claud
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And when they did see the Bible, it was chained to the altar so no one could get near it other than the anointed few.

As GCC Catholic pointed out, it was chained there because it was worth its weight in gold practically. A whole Bible cost as much as a house.

But let's break those chains anyway and hand that Bible to an average Joe like me in 1100 A.D. Lots of pretty pictures in it...but guess what, I can't read. And if I could read, I couldn't understand Latin. So I'm not sure what that accomplished, other than make me feel stupid. :)

45 posted on 01/24/2007 2:13:33 PM PST by Claud
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To: GCC Catholic

Sorry! Forgot to ping you to #45.


46 posted on 01/24/2007 2:14:20 PM PST by Claud
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To: Petronski

Thanks.

Glad we got that straight, again.


47 posted on 01/24/2007 2:21:49 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Gamecock

Some people are genetically predisposed to learning best by listening--especially to stories--men, for one.


48 posted on 01/24/2007 2:22:22 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: DarthVader

Amen! Amen!


49 posted on 01/24/2007 2:22:41 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Claud

I think I have an inadequate ability to speak more meaningfully and fruitfully regarding the effectiveness of the simplicity of Scripture.

Folks can invent all kinds of problems to be cheeky about. Not my choice.


50 posted on 01/24/2007 2:24:05 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
About 6 out of 10 times A CHURCH SPONTANEOUSLY APPEARS—FUNCTIONING, HEALTHY, BIBLICAL. Many times, MULTIPLE CHURCHES ARISE spontaneously—from one MP3 player as it’s shared beyond the original agreement.

Follow them over time. Do a study.

See how long they stay healthy. See what beliefs each "church" comes to espouse. Note the degree of divergence in the various "churches" and whether their beliefs are consistent or conflicting. See to what degree the Christian message becomes mixed and mingled with pagan beliefs or native culture. That should give you some window on the work of the Holy Spirit.

I think your shouts of "success" and your exuberant celebration of "Houston, we have a church" are a little premature. You're introducing people to the word of God. This isn't the end. It's just the beginning. These people are starting a journey (see St. Paul's letters for all the problems of newly-birthed Christian communities).

Do you intend to simply let them wander where ever the "spirit" takes them, or will there be some .....*cough*.....authoritative follow-up in order to guide them, should they start plucking out their eyes, for instance, so as not to sin? 'Course, I would hate to suggest that you might be imposing some of that Christian .......*Protestants cover eyes, dangerous word ahead*........tradition ..........*all clear*......on these new converts, but I take it there is some form of spiritual accountability and guidance.

51 posted on 01/24/2007 3:12:16 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Claud; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; ears_to_hear; blue-duncan; HarleyD; Quix; 1000 silverlings
What better way to keep the peasants working and the middle class quiet than to keep them illiterate and shut out of the truth of the Gospel?

THE PLACE OF THE PRINTING PRESS
IN THE REFORMATION
"...The Expanded Audience

Literacy increased markedly with the advance of the press. Most notably this occurred among the emerging middle class of the cities. This audience was essential to the success of the Reformation. The doctors, lawyers, and merchants of the cities opposed Catholic clergy and the power of the Catholic church which drew the gold from their cities into the coffers of Rome. This new middle class could well afford the Reformer's books and consequently became the core of the Reformation. From this class came leaders like Calvin and Knox.

Literacy was extended, to a lesser degree, to the lower classes. To persuade the partially-educated the Reformers issued a barrage of pamphlets. Even the illiterate could be significantly influenced by printed cartoons, caricatures, and broadsides. Eisenstein states, By pamphleteering directed at arousing popular support and aimed at readers who were unversed in Latin, the Reformers pioneered in mass communication techniques. They also left ineradicable impressions in the form of broadsides and caricatures. Designed to catch the attention and arouse the passion of sixteenth century readers, their anti-papist cartoons still have a strong impact when encountered in history books today.

Indeed, the printing revolution cut across the entire spectrum of society. No sector was beyond the scope of the press..."


52 posted on 01/24/2007 3:42:52 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
I TRULY REJOICE AT THIS EXAPANSION OF THE GOSPEL.

Amen and a very interesting article. God's word will not come back void.

53 posted on 01/24/2007 3:58:45 PM PST by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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To: Quix; marshmallow
Quix, having biases is part of being human. As are making assumptions, extrapolations, and inferences... it's part of using the gift of Reason that God gave us. Sometimes that means that those assumptions are incorrect, I will grant that.

That said, one large assumption that you made is the one that became the title of this thread: that a group of people, given only the Scriptures (via audio) and that have formed churches that fit a model that those who believe in Sola Scriptura consider to be Biblical proves that Sola Scriptura is true.

What I'm asking you is how giving a group of people the Bible in a vacuum, with no interpreter or outside influence, *proves* that Sola Scriptura is true. The result is the one that would be expected, when all you have given them is Scripture. I'm attempting to say (although perhaps not well) that if these people had lived in the same historical context as the Apostles and the rest of the Early Church, their theology and ecclesiology would have been that OF the Early Church. You neglected to answer that challenge in your prior response; instead you chose to dismiss it.

I think marshmallow's point bears consideration as well... what happens when these individuals begin to stray off or disagree, when there is no authority to guide them?

54 posted on 01/24/2007 4:16:05 PM PST by GCC Catholic
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55 posted on 01/24/2007 4:18:18 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Quix

While I hope it is true, how do we know all these tribal villages now have functioning churches and didnt just tell your pastor whateve he wanted to hear?


56 posted on 01/24/2007 4:30:35 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: GCC Catholic; Quix; Gamecock; HarleyD; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings
what happens when these individuals begin to stray off or disagree, when there is no authority to guide them?

All whom God has appointed to salvation will hear the Gospel, believe in Jesus Christ and be saved. Not one shall be lost.

But as Paul said, how are men to know the truth unless first by the preaching of the word?

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" -- Romans 10:13-15


57 posted on 01/24/2007 4:33:40 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Rodney King

FCBH folks went with nearby Christian tribal experts back to the areas concerned and had extensive observational meetings with said congregations.

They are not idiots.


58 posted on 01/24/2007 4:38:19 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: GCC Catholic

The result is the one that would be expected,

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YES INDEED!

WHEN FOLKS DO THE WORD,

GOD DOES HIS PART.

Very predictable; very expectable.


59 posted on 01/24/2007 4:39:22 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Straight Scripture is all the proclaimer is programmed with.

Excellent. If it is a choice between some apparatus which speaks the Gospel to these people, or no word at all, then clearly the former is preferable.

"But what saith it? ('it' being Scripture, Deuteronomy 30:14) the word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach" -- Romans 10:8

60 posted on 01/24/2007 4:46:34 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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