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To: Claud; TeĆ³filo; murphE; Thorin; ArrogantBustard; Convert from ECUSA
I'm a self-professed traditionalist. I've been to SSPX Masses, and have been a CFN conference in Philly. But I've no patience for anti-Semitism, and I am losing any patience I once had with both those groups because of it.

I grew up with the pre-VCII Latin Mass as a child, and retain fairly clear memories (albeit it through childish eyes) of the Catholic Church during that period. One very clear recollection is that of Palm Sunday when the Passion was read. At that Mass we prayed for the conversion of the Jews. At NO time, was I ever subjected to anti-semitism or any revilement of the Jewish people!

I mention this as an observer to the moder trend of 'traditionalism'. Other than the desire to celebrate the Mass in Latin, I have personally witnessed in this forum, a select group of individuals who consider themselves adherents of 'traditionalism' , castigate the Jews, without any semblance of reason. They have since left FR and opened up their own discussion forum where they continue to attack those who mean them no harm.

While I have not pursued Mr. Potok's articles (other than the editorial posted), he provides fairly solid support for his arguments. In a random search of the Internet, using "gruner jews", I came across many articles. The following statement appeared on The Fatima Network

     A June 2 Zenit report relates that a small book of unpublished writings by Sister Lucy was to be released in Italy. The date for publication was scheduled for June 10.

Described as a 64-page booklet entitled “The Message of Fatima”, it was edited by the Carmel of Coimbra and issued by the “Little Shepherds’ Secretariat.”

The report says Sister Lucy had worked on the writings as far back as 1955, at the request of the then Superior General of the Order. The text was sent to the Vatican by the order of Pope Paul VI, but remained “forgotten in the Vatican Archives”, says Father Vechina, Sister Lucy’s confessor, in the book’s Introduction.

In 1982, this same Father Vechina, then-Provincial of the Order of Discalced Carmelites, invited Sister Lucy “to write all the details that refer to the Message of Fatima from the beginning.” The Zenit report did not make clear how Sister Lucy’s post-1982 writings were merged with the 1955 text for this latest publication.

     The beginning of the book, according to Zenit, seems to be a conventional recap of the story of Our Lady’s visitations to the children at Fatima in 1917.

     But if the Zenit report is true, the book strikes a jarring note when it treats of a certain aspect of World War II.
 
True, on July 13, 1917, Our Lady of Fatima predicted the outbreak of a new war “worse” than World War I, which would begin during the reign of Pius XI. But in commenting on World War II, reports Zenit, Sister Lucy is allegedly to have written that history witnessed, “the outbreak of an atheist war against the faith, against God and against the People of God. A war that sought to exterminate Judaism from which Jesus Christ, the Virgin and the Apostles came, who transmitting to us the Word of God and the gift of faith, hope and charity, a people chosen by God, chosen from the beginning: ‘salvation is from the Jews’.”1

This preoccupation with Jews and today’s Jewish religion is foreign to anything we find in Sister Lucy’s previous writings. It is the rhetoric of post-conciliar ecumenism, not that of Fatima in Lucia’s Own Words. It suggests that another hand — other than Sister Lucy’s — scribed this part of the text.

Here’s why:

The Jewish religion as practiced today has virtually nothing in common with the religion of the Israelites of the Old Testament, the religion practiced by Jews during the time of Christ. This religion of the Israelites came to an end with Our Lord’s death on the Cross by which He established His New Covenant that made obsolete the Old.

     The alleged passage from Sister Lucy thus muddies the waters between the religion of the Israelites of the Old Testament, and the present-day Jewish religion which is primarily based on not the Old Testament, but on man-made works called the Kabbalah and the Talmud. Worse, the Talmud contains unspeakable blasphemy against Our Lord and Our Blessed Mother.

If anyone is 'muddling the waters', it is the author. He has neglected to consider the writings of St. Paul to the Romans, where he talks about the ingrafting. This image appears in Chapter 11 of his Letter to the Romans.

I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.

Here is the definitive statement in Sacred Scripture that when the Old Covenant, which had been restricted to the Jews, was opened up to all peoples in the New Covenant, it did not mean that God removed His special election from the Jews - not even from those Jews who did not recognize Him.

Do you not know what the scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

"... let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs for ever."

Here St. Paul states that God Himself "darkened" the eyes of the Jews that they might not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, even down to the present time. "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day." It was God who "hardened" them, "darkened" their eyes. Paul clearly states that in some mysterious way, it was part of God's Providence that some Jews should remain unable to recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Who are we to question God's divine plan?


26 posted on 01/18/2007 5:49:43 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

Don't ping me anymore to your Communist propaganda.


27 posted on 01/18/2007 7:47:56 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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