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To: Kolokotronis; Vicomte13

Thanks, K. What is the perspective of the other, um, Archdioceses (churches? what do you call them) of the Antiochans?


8 posted on 01/12/2007 8:08:41 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

"What is the perspective of the other, um, Archdioceses (churches? what do you call them) of the Antiochans?"

I understand that the Antiochian Archdiocese now has coverts for a majority of its priests. Mnay years ago, a group of evangelicals got together and made themselves a "church" called the "Evangelical Orthodox Church" and proceeded to pretend to be Orthodox. Eventually, and to their credit, they came to realize that pretending wasn't good enough and sought reception into the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese. They presented quite a list of demands, like recognition of their "orders", etc. The then Archbishop Iakovos showed them the door. The next thing we knew, +Phillip of the Antiochians had taken them in, baptising and ordaining many of them on the same day (he wouldn't go so far as recognize their "bishops"). Anyway, out they went into the country to "plant" Antiochian Orthodox parishes. Ummm, it has had some "interesting" results as one might expect with the blind leading the blind. In some cases it has been just fine, but in others it has lead to some real "Americanizing" of Orthodoxy, intense legalism, piousity and a superior anti-ethnic Orthodox attitude, unless its American ethnicity. The self perceived spiritual superiority of these people makes me want to vomit. Humility is absolutely unknown among many of them. And, in my opinion, many of them preach a very Protestant, heretical atonement theory which is absolutely alien to Orthodoxy. But +Phillip is happy because he thinks he'll finally beat the Greeks, whom he thoroughly dislikes though his people don't, and preside over some sort of autocephallous "American Orthodox" Church.

In the meantime, they of course feel that Orthodoxy is really a liturgical form of Calvinism and so they can peddle it to other protestants here in the States. Some of the sermons I've heard from these folks are scary.


9 posted on 01/12/2007 8:22:10 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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