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The Pope and the secret world of intelligence
Canada Free Press ^ | 11 Jan 07 | Gordon Thomas

Posted on 01/11/2007 9:00:17 AM PST by xzins

The Pope and the secret world of intelligence By Gordon Thomas

Thursday, January 11, 2007

Pope John Paul II was regularly briefed by the CIA. The revelation will further fuel the controversy about the resignation of Mgr Stanislaw Wielgus, the Archbishop of Warsaw.

His decision to quit, only minutes before he was due to celebrate his inaugural mass, came after he confessed to being an informant for Poland's communist-era secret police and intelligence service...snip...But shortly after he was elected the 261 pope in 1978, John Paul had received a letter from President Jimmy Carter. It was hand-carried to the Vatican by his wife, Rosalynn. At the end of her private audience she handed it to the pope. One of those who witnessed the moment was Mgr John Magee, the pontiff's English-language private secretary.

Later over a private dinner with me at Rozellas, a Rome restaurant favoured by the Vatican hierarchy, John Magee confirmed the letter was "Washington approval for the pope to be briefed by the CIA on a regular basis".

Almost forty years before, one of the founders of the CIA, General William "Wild Bill" Donovan, had been received in audience by Pope Pius XII and decorated with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods.

From that day when Donovan had bowed his head before the pontiff, the CIA had remained ensconced as the prime intelligence adviser to successive pontiffs.

But it would be William Casey more than any other director who, after Rosalynn Carter's visit, developed the CIA ties with the Vatican as John Paul's guide through the murky world of secret intelligence....snip... Those messages remain one of the many secrets stored in the Vatican archives.

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: cia; coldwar; commiespy; communism; espionage; geopolitics; intelligence; poland; pope; spy; wielgus
But shortly after he was elected the 261 pope in 1978, John Paul had received a letter from President Jimmy Carter. It was hand-carried to the Vatican by his wife, Rosalynn.

If one intelligence agency does briefings, then it's easy to imagine that others do, too.

Wonder which ones?

1 posted on 01/11/2007 9:00:19 AM PST by xzins
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Revelation 911; Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg; ...

Background info for file...

What's the reason Canada Free Press chose to run this article?


2 posted on 01/11/2007 9:02:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
Garbage.

General William "Wild Bill" Donovan (MOH) was NEVER a part of the CIA. Donovan was the founder of the OSS, a military intelligence/special operations service.

The OSS (Office of Strategic Services) had some serious commandos involved with it. In particular the OSS "Jedburgs". "Jeds" were composed of British, French, and American Commandoes who routinely dropped behind German lines in Occupied France and conducted operations with the French Resistance.

Some Notable Jedburgs:
William Colby: Became director of the CIA later on in life. Died under mysterious circumstances in 1996.

Stewart Alsop: Newsweek Columnist, died from Lukemia in 1974

Captain (later Colonel) Aaron Banks: Founder of the US Army Special Forces (died in 2k4 at age 101).

Donovan was out of favour with the Truman administration (being a life long Republican), and as such had nothing at all to do with the CIA. The first CIA director was General Walter "Beedle" Smith, Ike's chief of Staff during WWII.
3 posted on 01/11/2007 9:49:22 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: xzins

Yo, xzins et al:

On Tuesday January 9th, we picked up and recorded a big chunk of a NPR broadcast towards the end of the "All Things Considered."

It runs roughly like this:

"...attempt to infiltrate the church's top offices in Poland. Emily Harris has that story."

EMILY HARRIS cuts in:

"A document unearthed by [inaudible] Newspapers says that in the late 1970s, the communist secret services wanted to place a dozen high-ranking priests, who were also collaborators, into the circle of friends of top church officials in Poland.

"This was apparently seen by the secret services as a possible way to covertly influence church leaders who fought the communist government, inlcuding then-Cardinal Karol Wojyla, who became Pope John Paul II in October 1978.

"No real names are revealed in the document, just code names for priests. [Unaudible]...secret police handlers.

"It's not clear whether the plan was ever carried out. Emily Harris, NPR News."

I tried ot find all this at NPR.ORG yesterday, but got NOWHERE.

"Doggone it! Winning that IT Village Idiot of the year Award, Encino Man Division, STILL hasn't done me no good at all!"

Dennis


4 posted on 01/11/2007 9:56:00 AM PST by Dennis Paul Morony (Semper Fi!)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; xzins
That's Colonel Aaron Bank...aaaarrrrgh!! senility sets in!
5 posted on 01/11/2007 9:58:12 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

Is it correct that the OSS was predecessor of the CIA?


6 posted on 01/11/2007 10:03:29 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Dennis Paul Morony

more info and links at post #5:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1763946/posts


7 posted on 01/11/2007 10:23:46 AM PST by Daffy
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To: xzins
Is it correct that the OSS was predecessor of the CIA?

It is true that a Branch of the OSS, the Intelligence Services, was broken off to form the CIA. Some however, became the Defence Intellignece Agency (DIA), a military organisation. Many other OSS functions remained military. Their History is quite interesting.

8 posted on 01/11/2007 10:33:09 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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Are you saying the O.S.S. didn't morph into the CIA after WWII?

"Donovan and the CIA: A History of the Establishment of the Central Intelligence Agency" by Thomas F. Troy

9 posted on 01/11/2007 12:28:54 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; xzins
Saw this one too late. You are a veritable compendium of facts, cdl. 8~)
10 posted on 01/11/2007 12:30:58 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Are you saying the O.S.S. didn't morph into the CIA after WWII?

i beleive that i have already covered that issue.

Donovan had nothing to do with the CIA. He was out of favour with the Truman administration. Rather, Donovan returned to the practise of Law.

Donovan was one of the best soldiers in the Army, having won the Medal of Honor in WWI as part of the "fighting Irish" of the 69th New York Infantry Regiment, part of Douglas MacAuthur's 84th Brigade, in General Menoher's 42nd Infantry Division (Rainbow).

11 posted on 01/11/2007 12:43:10 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dr. Eckleburg

Nonetheless, it is interesting to me that the Canada Free Press chose to run this article at this time. They like to cause controversy, consider themselves conservative, and have been accused of being a loose cannon.

Are they suggesting that the Vatican is a MAJOR insider player in US decisions?

Is there any evidence for that?


12 posted on 01/11/2007 2:24:49 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Torquemada should make protestants worry about intel agency connections.

:>)


13 posted on 01/11/2007 2:56:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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Are they suggesting that the Vatican is a MAJOR insider player in US decisions?

When did Jack Chick buy a newspaper?

"Alternative" press - whether "conservative" or "liberal" - shouldn't be trusted. For instance, this site cites the "Northeast Intelligence Network." I'm familiar with this group, since a local talk show host here periodically interviews them. They see terrorists lurking behind every shadow. Now, admittedly, in a city with the Lackawanna Six, there's some cause to be watchful against terrorists, but Doug Hagmann takes it to the extreme. Imagine the worst of WorldNetDaily, and distill and amplify.

14 posted on 01/11/2007 3:35:12 PM PST by jude24
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To: Daffy

Thanks a bunch, Daffy!
Dennis


15 posted on 01/12/2007 3:22:16 PM PST by Dennis Paul Morony (Semper Fi!)
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