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Mistranslation in Matthew
Outreach Judaism ^ | Rav Singer

Posted on 01/08/2007 8:18:19 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant

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This should help.
1 posted on 01/08/2007 8:18:23 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Yeah, but can he explain why the American Jews all vote for RATs?


2 posted on 01/08/2007 8:23:17 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Saddam is Dead! Bush's Fault. [Pray for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub.])
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Interesting. Book marked
3 posted on 01/08/2007 8:26:38 AM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I suppose this is a good place to ask these questions:

1. The word "alma" is used in Isa 7:14 isn't it?
2. The word "alma" CAN mean virgin, can't it?
3. If the context of Isa 7:14 is meant to be taken, "A young woman shall bear a child, and name him Emmanuel", then:
a. What is so remarkable about a "young woman" having a child? Why is that considered a "sign of note"? It's pretty common for non virgins to have children, isn't it?
b. Where is Emmanuel in any OT book? Are we still waiting for Emmanuel?


4 posted on 01/08/2007 8:28:31 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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Where is Emmanuel in any OT book?

Right there in Isaiah 7, but nowhere else as far as I know.

5 posted on 01/08/2007 8:33:22 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
If the Hebrew word alma does not mean virgin, then what does it mean?
6 posted on 01/08/2007 8:33:58 AM PST by jkl1122
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If the Hebrew word alma does not mean virgin, then what does it mean?

Read the article, its tells ya. I'm not going to do your reading for ya.

7 posted on 01/08/2007 8:36:09 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
The article does not offer a definition for the Hebrew word alma.
8 posted on 01/08/2007 8:38:28 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
This should help.

Actually, it's a remarkably useless screed. The author insists that Matthew mistranslated the word "alma" with malice aforethought, in order to trick his Jewish audience.

Conveniently, the author doesn't bother to tell us what "alma" really means, nor does he actually give us the text of Isaiah 7, which can obviously be translated in its own right.

Interestingly, various English translations of Isaiah all give it as "virgin." Are all of the Bible translators liars, too?

9 posted on 01/08/2007 8:40:16 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Right - it "helps" a lot...

That was one impressive sign from God:

"Behold, a young woman will conceive and bare a son"...

By the way, you'll find the exact construction of the Hebrew word 'almah' used in two other places besides Isaiah 7:14:

Genesis 24:43 (Rebeccah, the virgin bride of the promised seed, Issac, is introduced).
Exodus 2:8 (Miriam -- the Hebrew word for Mary -- is introduced as the young girl who watches over Israel's coming saviour - Moses).

Isaiah 6
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

Acts 4
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

10 posted on 01/08/2007 8:41:48 AM PST by El Cid (Seek ye the Lord while He might be found, call ye upon while He is near...)
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It's pretty common for non-virgins to have children, isn't it?

You better believe it!

11 posted on 01/08/2007 8:42:04 AM PST by Tax-chick (What's this we have now?)
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To: Oberon

Yes, which was what I tried to imply in my question in "a". To be precise, I suppose I should have asked, "Where is Emmanuel in any OT book OTHER than Isaiah?"


12 posted on 01/08/2007 8:42:49 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: jkl1122
The article does not offer a definition for the Hebrew word alma.

Of course not. Conspiracy theorists rarely do such things, and the author of this dreck is rather apparently a conspiracy theorist.

13 posted on 01/08/2007 8:43:04 AM PST by r9etb
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To: jkl1122
The article does not offer a definition for the Hebrew word alma.

Yes he does he says it can mean virgin or young woman.

14 posted on 01/08/2007 8:44:14 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I don't see where the author says anything about what the word alma can mean. He talks about the meaning of parthenos, but not alma. In any case, what the author fails to mention is that alma always refers to a virgin in the Old Testament.
15 posted on 01/08/2007 8:48:21 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
So this post is properly labeled ZIONIST and readers can choose to either waste their time trying to discover what the poster had in mind, or move along, I present the author's thesis statement in his own words!

"the Septuagint that missionaries use to advance their untenable arguments against Judaism".

sola scriptora

Moses and the patriarchs can't save your souls

16 posted on 01/08/2007 9:24:56 AM PST by STD (Rough Sailing Directly Ahead)
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"b. Where is Emmanuel in any OT book? Are we still waiting for Emmanuel?"

I've often wondered why they didn't name Jesus 'Emmanuel,' according to the prophecy?

17 posted on 01/08/2007 9:28:02 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Tell your bosses to get on with it please.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/01082007/news/worldnews/back_off__iran__warns_israel_worldnews_geoff_earle.htm


18 posted on 01/08/2007 9:38:52 AM PST by STD (Rough Sailing Directly Ahead)
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To: NonValueAdded

It's because of the superior intelligence of the A.(sorry I can't spell it) jews. Elites have always thought that they were smarter and more with it than their forefathers. Liberals always think that they have all the answers.


19 posted on 01/08/2007 9:41:32 AM PST by STD (Rough Sailing Directly Ahead)
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To: Eastbound
I've often wondered why they didn't name Jesus 'Emmanuel,' according to the prophecy?

I've wondered that too. The following is a typical response, (note the passage in bold) and I believe it makes sense. Remember, names mean things in Scripture, more than simple "names", like "John Doe" is only a name today. Basically, the same question can be asked of the prophecy in Isa 9:6, etc.

The author probably didn't mean that the Messiah would literally be named Emmanuel, but that the name Emmanuel expressed a reality about the Messiah; that in Him, God is with us. This is similar to Isaiah 9:6, which reads, "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called 'Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.'" Of course, Jesus was not literally named any of these things, but they express elements of His person and ministry. This meaning of "calling" the Messiah Emmanuel can be inferred at other points in Scripture, such as Jn. 1:1-3, Jn. 1:14, and Col. 2:9.

Source

20 posted on 01/08/2007 9:44:50 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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