FIRE LIKE WE'VE NOT SEEN BEFORE [PENTECOSTAL CHARISMATIC CAUCUS--PROPH 4 PRAYER & SOUL SEARCHING]

OPENHEAVEN.COM DIGEST ^ | 27 DEC 2006 | RON MCGATLIN

[Quix]

This is a caucus thread.

Hostility, making fun of, argumentativeness etc. are all forbidden on a caucus thread. If one can't comment in a true spirit and attitude in concert with the topic and intent of the thread from the perspective of the caucus members, then one is to avoid the thread.

The RM has been very clear about such things.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

K. Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm gone.

[Quix]

I think the following doc may have some insight into what may be involved for many believers to move into the 'firestorm' of God's end time moves and demonstrations of Himself and his power. What do others think?

from:

http://www.openheaven.com/articles/kingdom_revival/article.asp?id=99

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Casting Off Bondages of Past Religion Releases True Spiritual Authority - Ron McGatlin

God, our Father is speaking a personal word of magnificence - of release into heavenly realms - of true spiritual authority - of supernatural connection into open heavens. This is a word to you and I personally, and not to just someone else.

A blanket of religious slavery has restrained us for so long that we have accepted the limitations imposed by the restraints of religion and natural life. Under the blanket of limitation we have occupied ourselves with endeavors powered by human intellect and flesh. We have submitted to a false ceiling imposed by religious authority that called itself "spiritual authority". The blanket must be cast off! Our limiting systems of religious beliefs must be washed away and our spiritual minds renewed to the pure Word and Spirit of God.

The vastness of the heavens flowing the unblocked and unfiltered light of God awaits us. As we now lift the corner of the blanket and look out our hearts race with the excitement of the heavenly aroma of the fresh air of heaven entering our spiritual nostrils and filling our spiritual lungs with exciting reality of pure love and pure faith that produces limitless life. A desire and strength burst into our heart to throw off the blanket and be lifted upward toward Christ our true head and God our Father.

Released from the limited light of the false coverings we look up into the vastness of the wide place of the brightness of unlimited supernatural possibility. No longer restrained to fit the powerless form of religion, we are released ( YOU and I ) into the realm of God where truly nothing is impossible. Released from past restraints, the limitless faith of Jesus touches heaven and earth and Christ in us truly can do all things. Nothing is beyond possibility as you and I become one with God.

Experiencing His unfiltered love and bright light of truth causes even greater humility and we are broken and emptied of all our life strength and filled with only His heart, His mind, His faith, His love, His glorious eternal life. Though we are dead to our life and dead to our past religious ways we are more alive than ever with His quality of eternal life.

We now become enlightened to true spiritual authority and must accept that we now have true spiritual authority flowing through us. As He moves in us we can speak to the storm and it will be still. We can speak to the mountain and it will be cast into the sea. We can speak to the dead to come out of the tomb and they shall arise. We can touch and bring change into multitudes of lives and transform cities and nations. We can give a cup of cool water, provide food to the hungry, clothes to the naked, visit those in prison and provide for the widows and orphans.

The vast power of God upon this planet to reach the lost and transform the world is currently locked up in boxes of religion. Powerful men and women of God with supernatural potential sit on pews and submit to the religious limitations of "laity". Maybe they teach a Sunday school class in which they teach the limits of restrained life that they themselves have lived under all their lives. Not knowing they have the potential to command the demons that torment them and that are destroying their children. Waiting for someone else to come by and stir the waters of their stagnant pool of limited belief trained into them under the blanket of religion. Trusting in Jesus to only get them to heaven when they die. Not knowing that He has limitless eternal life for them now.

Preachers and teachers with the very best of intent continue to perpetuate the "truths" or doctrines that have been trained into them under the blanket. Standing as "clergy" and feeding the "laity" what ever they or headquarters thinks they should eat. Many leaders who may have looked out at times from under the corner of the blanket and may even be walking in a measure of freedom are yet restrained from the supernatural reality of open heaven living. They turn back to the security of the systems of religion and carry on as "pastor" over "laity", all the while wondering why their lives are so hard and why they are never able to do enough to measure up to the needs of their congregations.

The message of God is sounding out to "clergy" as from Moses to Pharaoh, "LET MY PEOPLE GO!" The people of God must be set free to cross the Jordan of death to old ways and freedom from past bondage. It was not good for Pharaoh after holding back God's people and it will not be good to be one holding back the people of God today.

The message of God to His people held in captivity in the past has been as the message of Jeremiah to God's people held captive in Babylon. They were told the captivity would be long and to faithfully serve the king of Babylon and live in peace and prosper in the captivity. The other prophets that told them the captivity would be short and to not cooperate with the king of Babylon were proven to be liars. It is good that we have served the religious systems that took us captive as a people centuries ago. It is the same as rebelling against God to resist what He has done. David never came against Saul though Saul attempted to destroy Him many times. In time God delivered David and made him the Shepherd King example of Christ.

But there also came a time when the captivity of God's people was finished. Then Jeremiah spoke God's judgement upon Babylon and spoke the word of God to the people of God to come out of Babylon. Jeremiah Spoke to the people of God in, Jer 51:45 "My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the LORD."

Babylon could not be healed just as our passing religious systems cannot be reformed. Revival, renewal, restoration, and reformation are changing God's people and not changing the religious systems of the past. The reality of the presence of God and the awesome reality of His consuming love is purifying those who are coming out from under the blanket of limitation.

The reformation process that began around 500 years ago is reaching a time of rapid progression as the powerful presence of the love of God is manifesting among the people of God. His presence is washing our minds of our old intellectually derived interpretations of Scripture and opening us to the reality of the Word of God by His Spirit. Only a pure humble heart filled with the Spirit can truly hear the Word of God clearly. The intellect alone will never discern the truth of the Word. It is Spiritual and must be revealed in us by the Spirit of God.

It is time for you and I to experience a major reformation. Time to really consider what we believe to be our limitations and open up to the vast arena of the possibilities of God. Time to come aside from our routine of limited life and seek the revelation of His eternal limitless life. Perhaps a time to reconsider our call and search out the heart of God and the fullness of His supernatural life for us.

Most of us may have never really touched or even envisioned the kingdom potential of God in our lives. In this season of religion fading away and God's kingdom coming forth, isn't it time to remove the lid from our minds and let the Spirit open the heavens to us. What is so desirable about our limited routine lives that would cause us to hold back from going for all God has and blowing the lid off? I don't know about you but for me, I must go for it.

Ron McGatlin
OpenHeaven.com IRN CRC
ronmcgatlin@earthlink.net

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[Ciexyz]

Faith-sharing bump.

[Quix]

THANKS THANKS.

[cf_river_rat]

Quix would you add me to your ping list?

[Quix]

Done. Thanks.

[Vicki]

Thank you for sharing this and think you have made a good decision by doing so. I recently had a dream so compelling that I still cannot get it out of my mind.

I dreamed of a tremendous earthquake in the Pacific Northwest. It was actually 3 quakes. The earth moved violently and in big rolling wave like motions. There were fires and I saw people panicked as well as animals. It was terrible.

As soon as I got up I checked the USGS web site. Nothing has really happened of course, but that dream haunts me.

We left our church some time ago, put off by members more concerned about traditional services versus contemporary. There were some pretty harsh fights about this. Our pastor never addressed the end times or the existence of hell. He never spoke of the rapture. I think he is doing a disservice for his church.

[Quix]

Sounds like you have a lot of discernment and wisdom.

I believe that each of us must do what we can by God's Spirit's help and leading to

1. HEAR HIM
2. OBEY HIM
3. TRUST HIM
4. WALK IN INTIMACY WITH HIM

And there by reside in HIS SAFETY whether we live or die

doing HIS exploits FOR HIS KINGDOM in all we do.

Playing church must end. It will end.

Playing Christian must end and will end.

They WILL know we are Christians by our sacrificial love, humility, wisdom . . . Christ-likeness.

God is leading 100's of thousands from traditional dead religion into clusters of believers who read The Word and Do the Word. Praise Him for that.

The world will have no hold on such individuals and groups.

I pray, Lord, God, that you lead our dear sister and her family into contact with others who put you first regardless. May they find the fellowship truly in you and in your passion for your priorities that you desire from all of us. By divine appointment, Lord, please bring it to pass for all who seek you genuinely. IN Jesus' Name.
Amen.

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[Quix]

Much appreciated.

[TomSmedley]

Is there something about a caucus thread that is unclear?

Sorry, I am new to the concept.

In any case, I'm a pentecostal/charismatic Christian with experience in "the prophetic." A few decades ago, I even traveled with a pentecostal tent crusade, and soaked up a great deal of godly wisdom from Paul Sherman, a humble and powerful teacher of God's Word.

It might be interesting to note that "prophecy teaching" was once closely identified with Scofield's dispensationalism, which was also cessationist.

If I correctly understand the BIBLICAL role of prophecy in the life of the church, it deals primarily with the PRESENT, and focuses on ethics. "Given these facts, you can expect those results."

For example, the main point of the Olivet Discourse was Israel's rejection of her Messiah. It's impossible to imagine a bigger blunder than that. "Israel, you spurned God's best offer, God's best gift -- and there will be consequences." The exact nature and timing of the consequences can be debated -- but the nature of the offense underlying our Lord's prophetic utterances is very clear.

Pagan prophecy, whether practiced by Jean Dixon, Edgar Cayce, or the guy with four wives, fails to connect the dots. Pagan prophecy creates vivid word pictures of imaginary worlds that have nothing to do with this one. Pagan prophecy induces paralysis and fatalism, since it ignores our role in shaping the future through prayer, fasting, and obedience.

At its best, charismatic prophetic utterances bring clarity into the life of individuals and the church, shining God's spotlight on hot-button issues, and helping us to deal more effectively with the present. This, I think, is a valuable point of contrast to the arid fatalism of the anti-charismatic "prophecy teachers" and their spawn.

[TomSmedley]

Such threads are treated as if they were occuring behind the closed doors of a chapel. The assembly is not to be disturbed.

Thank you for explaining this so clearly. Now I see, and will make every effort to "mind my manners."

May our God's favor be upon your house this year. Your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

[Quix]

At its best, charismatic prophetic utterances bring clarity into the life of individuals and the church, shining God's spotlight on hot-button issues, and helping us to deal more effectively with the present. This, I think, is a valuable point of contrast to the arid fatalism of the anti-charismatic "prophecy teachers" and their spawn.
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I appreciate useful contributions to the thread such as the above.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Quix]

I think the following on

COMMUNITY strikes close to what I see God doing leading up to, through and beyond even powerful moves with the Fire of His Spirit.

From Pam Clark:

http://www.prophetic.net/visionp.html

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The Vision is Community...
Prophecy Given to Pam Clark, 3/13/97


PUBLISHED IN THE PROPHET'S PEN - MARCH-APRIL 1997




"Many people have been crying out to Me and seeking My Face and desiring My will. Many have found Me in the secret place. But I say to you, there is more, there is more, there is more and many of you know that there is more. But My Hand is at work, saith God.
Many have not understood My ways, but I say to you that those who believe what I say through My Word shall be blessed. Many have said, “We desire to do Your will, O God,” but I say to you, Look at the churches and you will see who is doing My will. Is My House a House of Prayer for all nations there, that is representative of the community and of My power, or does everyone look alike? You will be able to see who is doing My will, even today, saith Your God.

My Word is the same for all people. My Word does not change from country to country, city to city nor people to people. I am the Same, yesterday, today and forever, saith Your God.

My people are crying, but I say unto you that you are crying because you have lost the vision. The vision is community but you have built your own vision. Your vision does not measure up to My Vision, saith Your God.

I am calling forth a people. I am calling forth a city, the City of God. You are building your own cities, but I am building My City, saith Your God. You are building your families, but I am building My Family.

Many have cried out for the nation and they have not understood My Hand. “Things are just getting worse and worse,” they lament. Yes, saith God, to your eyes they appear worse and worse, but I say to unto you, I am in the process of saving this nation. How can I reach the people that you will not let enter in? My Hand shall move, and in truth, it is moving.

You have no time for the orphan and the widow. You have no time for the leper and the outcast. You build your monuments to your men, but I am not in them, for I am in the secret place, and there I shall be found. You who build your societies and your towers of Babel shall not find My Presence there for you build these things for yourselves, not considering Me.

For plagues and pestilences and famines will come, but will you find My servant girl? As Naaman the leper humbled himself, so shall ye, if you truly seek to find Me. My daughter found her joy in me, even in the house of the alien, yea, even the house of the stranger and the enemy. And so shall My enemies submit themselves to the people of God [as Naaman did at the servant girl's word]. For I will claim a people who were not a people and call them the servants of the Most High God.

I am calling forth a Community of people--a people whose every day actions honor Me, saith Your God. My servants hold the keys to the real Kingdom of Life. My Hand does not turn except through My servants to whom I have given My keys!

I have called you to commune in unity. I have called you to gather in. I shall do the sifting, saith God. I shall do the sorting. That is not your job. I have called you to gather in the righteous, those who will hear My Voice and do My will and who call Me their God. When you praise Me, I shall do the shifting and the sifting.

Do not hinder My Hand. I may move one here, and another there, but I know what I am doing. I will give to this one a key here and to that one a key there and I will use these keys in the way that I desire, saith Your God. I hold the keys to the Kingdom, and I will give them to My righteous servants for their rewards, saith Your God.

My vision is Community, saith your God, those who do their labors unto Me. Have I not always desired a people of fellowship? Have I not commanded you to gather at the appointed times? Have I not appointed you to feasts unto Me? Yet you have not sought to honor Me but yourselves.

My true shepherds are shepherds of righteousness. My true servants are My true leaders. Be not dismayed at the contraints that I place within you for I am calling together a people of God. I am causing you to come together according to My perfect Plan.

I am raising up an Army of Praise. Their banners are terrible and awesome, for their Banner is Me. In Me, My people have peace. Be not deceived by those who are not in My Army, saith Your God. My Army brings forth righteousness. You will hear My Sound in My Army and it is the Sound of praise to their God. Be not deceived by those who are not of My Army, saith your God.

Sing, sing, sing unto Me. Sing unto Me a new song! Blessed are those who know the joyful sound. Trust in Me. Trust in Me. Do not be caught in the momentum of the hour, but sing unto Me, saith Your God and I will not disappoint you.

Many have been called, for I say, all have been called, but few have chosen to be in My Presence." †