Posted on 01/05/2007 6:30:35 PM PST by sionnsar
Me too!
Maybe you should talk with LibreOuMort about being married to an engineer. (I haven't quite converted this French Lit major but both our daughters are, or are becoming, engineers themselves! [OMG What Have I Done So Wrong!!])
Blessings upon you...
And may the Peace be with you!
You should make that "formerly mainline Episcopalian." Today's mainline Episcopalians are an entirely different species.
Yeah? How's the music?! lol
And may the Peace of the Lord be with you and yours as well! Amen.
"she did mention her church was now associated with a Church in Africa. Whatever that means."
Truro and Falls Church have joined the Nigerian Church under Bishop Akinola - who, it is reported, favors imprisonment for gays, and the defense is that he has to placate Muslim leaders in Nigeria.
I am still a mainline Episcopalian, and while my church is sorting out its issues I will not leave it. I do not think my church should be in the business of placating Muslims, and I am not Nigerian.
(And imprisonment for open homosexual conduct in the streets is still the law over here, you know. Not so long ago it was a capital offense, drawing the death penalty - something of which Thomas Jefferson approved, BTW.)
I would wait and read the law itself plus Abp Akinola's actual statement, before I took the say-so of people who are anxious to put the Nigerian church down. I am not exaggerating when I say that the revisionists in ECUSA will put about any slander, no matter how untrue.
< grin >
Funny you should ask -- but here's the rundown on today's music:
Complete Latin Mass in chant, composed by our choirmaster.
Psalm chanted by cantor (actually Anglican chant) with responses by choir and congregation.
Offertory: "A Babe is Born All of a May", William Mathias.
Communion: "Jesu Redemptor Omnium/Gesu Bambino", Yon - with bass soloist and SATB.
Bach for the prelude, our choirmaster's own composition for the postlude (he's got a doctorate in organ performance from Juilliard).
We typically sing tons of Gregorian chant, Renaissance polyphony - especially Palestrina, Byrd, Tallis, Hans Hassler, lots of the English masters - and the better modern composers - the aforementioned Matthias, Rutter, Darke, Vaughn Williams . . .
Our choirmaster rocks! His ambition is to make our parish the center for Ancient Music in this diocese. And he's got the full support of the rector and his two vicars . . . who are both young, ultra-orthodox, and EXTREMELY enthusiastic -- especially about all the Latin.
Nice! Next time we're in the Atlanta area, we're visiting!
I'm not familiar with the name Louie Crew.
Can you tell me who's been imprisoned for "open homosexual conduct" here? Who has been executed?
(Note: I'm not in favor of gay people falling all over each other in public; I'm not in favor of straight people doing so, either).
Shudder. A cold blast from the past.
Anybody who gets imprisoned for soliciting or obtaining sex from another man in a rest stop or a public restroom has been imprisoned for open homosexual conduct. Of course, you are correct, it is also illegal for heterosexuals to engage in that conduct. I just wanted you to consider the possibility that the proposed Nigerian law is more along those lines, rather than executing people for eating together in a restaurant (which is what at least one hysterical revisionist said.)
People were regularly executed for homosexual conduct, even in private, in the 18th century in England and America (that's when Thomas Jefferson was alive, mostly.) In the 19th century they went to prison instead of being executed (vide Oscar Wilde). Things have changed substantially, but from the point of view of the law or the church, that's the blink of an eye.
There's coffee and breakfast before Mass (donuts, croissants, fruit, etc.)
"People were regularly executed for homosexual conduct, even in private, in the 18th century in England and America (that's when Thomas Jefferson was alive, mostly.)"
I'm certainly aware that they were imprisoned, but can't think of any capital cases offhand. Can you? (And thanks for the tip about Louie Crew - not an "activist" I'd be tuned into).
1624, Virginia: Capt. Robert Cornish was charged with buggery of his servant. He and the servant were hanged.
1631, England: 2nd Earl of Castlehaven was beheaded (rather than hanged, because he was a peer) for sodomy with his servants.
The old Newgate Calendar contains the criminal reports for London and the surrounding counties. Periodically in the 18th century they hanged somebody for sodomy, but generally they were imprisoned after being put in the pillory. A number of the convicted were so badly treated by the mob while in the pillory that they died.
In the 1730s some 20-30 people were executed in the Netherlands for sodomy.
The Marquis de Sade was sentenced to death for sodomy, but it was commuted to life imprisonment. He wasn't really missed.
Okay, one case in the seventeenth century, in America. Not something I'd really be nostalgic for. And at least de Sade left some thrilling literature behind. ;-D
It was clear from just a casual search that there were numerous executions for this offense, and that comports with my recollections from the history of the colonial period. From Blackstone forward this crime was held in complete abhorrence, and it was a capital offense until the general 19th century criminal reforms. Even the gay websites I ran across < shudder > agree with this, and seem to treat it as sort of like the Roman persecution of the Christians (iow, they glory in it.)
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