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To: bornacatholic
Let us just note the difference in our Worship. We Christian Catholics have always taught the Last Supper/First Mass is the way God Himself as Jesus Christ, taught us how He ought be worshiped.Only that which includes Sacrifice is worthy of being called Worship.

And where did you get that nonsense from??? Where, in either Testament has anyone sacrificed God??? You guys made this up to try to justify your cannibalistic rituals...

Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Did the Wise Men sacrifice God, or take a bite out of the baby Jesus??? Of course not...

Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

See any sacrifice there??? NO???

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Worship is a spiritual thing...Not a flesh thing like you guys do...And there is no sacrifice involved...

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Again, it's spiritual...

1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

You see any animal, human or Godly sacrifice here??? NO????

Phi 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Worship God in the spirit...Not by eating flesh and drinking blood...

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Do the angels eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood when they worship him, which they certainly do??? Of course not...

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are to offer 'spiritual' sacrifices, not flesh and blood...Especially not God's flesh and blood...

92 posted on 12/30/2006 8:13:14 AM PST by Iscool (There will be NO peace on earth, NOR good will toward men UNTIL there is Glory to God in the Highest)
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To: Iscool
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
93 posted on 12/30/2006 8:19:55 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Iscool; bornacatholic

Hey, BAC, looky what the Protestants have resurrected from 2000 year old pagan and heretical thought!

"You guys made this up to try to justify your cannibalistic rituals..."

Ah, well,

"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved." +Ignatius of Antioch


98 posted on 12/30/2006 8:42:43 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Iscool; sitetest; BlackElk; Kolokotronis; kosta50
And where did you get that nonsense from??? Where, in either Testament has anyone sacrificed God??? You guys made this up to try to justify your cannibalistic rituals.

*LOL

One of your problems, brother, is you think Scripture is the sole rule of Faith.

Acts 9 ...And Saul, as yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, And asked of him letters to Damascus, to the synagogues: that if he found any men and women of this way, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. And as he went on his journey, it came to pass that he drew nigh to Damascus; and suddenly a light from heaven shined round about him. And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Who said: Who art thou, Lord? And he: I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. It is hard for thee to kick against the goad. And he trembling and astonished, said: Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said to him: Arise, and go into the city, and there it shall be told thee what thou must do.

*Most folks think Saul was just persecuting the Church. However, Jesus Teaches him the truth. In opposing the Church, Saul is opposing Jesus...remember... He who hears you hears me..

*Further, what did Jesus order Saul to do? Did he order him to "read the Bible?

Nope.

*Let's continue in Acts, while we are already here (I just happened to be listening to this today on my drive home from Confession)

And there was a certain man in Caesarea, named Cornelius, a centurion of that which is called the Italian band; A religious man, and fearing God with all his house, giving much alms to the people, and always praying to God. This man saw in a vision manifestly, about the ninth hour of the day, an angel of God coming in unto him, and saying to him: Cornelius. And he, beholding him, being seized with fear, said: What is it, Lord? And he said to him: Thy prayers and thy alms are ascended for a memorial in the sight of God. And now send men to Joppe, and call hither one Simon, who is surnamed Peter: He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side. He will tell thee what thou must do.

*OK, what is going on here? God sends an Angel to faithful Cornelius and tells him to go and hear Peter's authoritative Teaching. God does not send an Angel to Cornelius and tell him to "Read the Bible."

*Let's continue in Acts...

... Now, whilst Peter was doubting within himself, what the vision that he had seen should mean, behold the men who were sent from Cornelius, inquiring for Simon's house, stood at the gate. And when they had called, they asked, if Simon, who is surnamed Peter, were lodged there. And as Peter was thinking of the vision, the Spirit said to him: Behold three men seek thee. Arise, therefore, get thee down and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. Then Peter, going down to the men, said: Behold, I am he whom you seek; what is the cause for which you are come? Who said: Cornelius, a centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and having good testimony from all the nation of the Jews, received an answer of an holy angel, to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

*What? No "Read the Bible?" Nope. Hear the authoritative Teaching of the First Pope.

... I ask, therefore, for what cause you have sent for me? And Cornelius said: Four days ago, unto this hour, I was praying in my house, at the ninth hour, and behold a man stood before me in white apparel, and said: Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thy alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. Send therefore to Joppe, and call hither Simon, who is surnamed Peter: he lodgeth in the house of Simon a tanner, by the sea side. Immediately therefore I sent to thee: and thou hast done well in coming. Now therefore all we are present in thy sight, to hear all things whatsoever are commanded thee by the Lord.

*Oops, that sort of shoots down the "Sola Scriptura" ideology. Cornelius was sent to to Peter who Taught with authority. Let's continue...There is no "Read the Bible" comand from God.

... While Peter was yet speaking these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word. And the faithful of the circumcision, who came with Peter, were astonished, for that the grace of the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the Gentiles also. For they heard them speaking with tongues, and magnifying God.

* My, my. That happened in perfect synchronisation with the First Pope's Preaching. It is almost as if God was giving visible signs He was confirming Peter's authority....:) There certainly is Nothing there about "Read the Bible"...Let's continue...

Then Peter answered: Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Ghost, as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

*My, my. The Bible is opposed to all of your assertions, isn't it?

You know, brother, in opposing the Church you are acting just like Saul did - only with less violence and far less cause.

And, who did Jesus tell Saul he was persecuting?

According to the Bible, You are persecuting Jesus when you attack His Church

100 posted on 12/30/2006 8:49:55 AM PST by bornacatholic
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