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To: Kolokotronis; faithplusnothing1; kosta50; The_Reader_David; sitetest; BlackElk; sandyeggo; ...
In the Sixteenth Century, there was a sudden and deadly outbreak of deracinated, demented, and damnable darnel in the form of the protestant revolutionaries.

Revolutionising within the form of orthopraxis, they did to their Churches what the phylloxera louse did to vineyards.

For over FIFTEEN CENTURIES, Christians Worshipped as Malachias prophesied and Christ Commanded.

Christian Worship was - and still IS in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches - about the action of Jesus. Working through the Priesthood He established, Jesus, as both Priest and Victim, offered/offers Himself as the Pluperfect Sacrifice of the New Covenant as an act of Propitiation.

Jesus also offered/offers Himself to us in the Sacrament of the Eucharist, the Pluperfect meal of the New Covenant. That is how Jesus communicates His Divine life to us and that is how we advance on the road of Theosis. God became man so man could become God, as the great Saint memorably summarised the truth.

We Christians, as members of the Royal Priesthood, gathered/gather with the Ordained Priest at the altar and joined/join with Him in offering ourselves, our prayers, works, joys and sufferings and that offering was/is joined to the Pluperfect Sacrifice of Jesus and the innumerable angels, gathered about the Altar, take that Pluperfect and acceptable offering to the Altar in Heaven.

Once the protestant revolutionaries had completely denuded the vineyard and chased Jesus out of the Sanctuary, there was no need of a priest. He was treated as a pest; an annoyance; an unacceptable accretion who, in the sick and twisted ideology of the Heresiarchs, was superfluous.

So, emptied of the actions of Jesus, the protestant revolutionaries filled their churches with a hymn sandwich - the work of man; a sermon sandwiched between hymns. It was/is solely the work of man. And only man.

Where once the odor of Sanctity permeated the Sanctuary, there was/is now but bloody rags, the work of man having supplanted the actions of Jesus, and worship was killed, Jesus dethroned and man, ascending into the sides of the North like Satan, substituted a service for the Eucharist/Divine Liturgy/Mass.

Bereft of the actions of Jesus, Our Lord and Saviour, the services of man are worse than a poor substitute. They reflect the triumph of Satan who used the 16th Century Satanic Mini-me's to chase Christ out of the protestant churches. The ego-maniacal revolutionaries had to have Jesus decrease so their oral traditions could increase.

The sad truth is that hundreds of millions of well-intentioned Christian protestants have never had the truth preached to them in words that will prick their ears and make them sit-up and take notice.

I am preaching it to them now. The hour is late. Time is running out.

Protestants must return to the Church - be it Orthodox or Catholic (y'all know my druthers) so they can reclaim their rightful heritage, Worship God as Jesus Himself Commanded us to do at the Last Supper/First Mass, and to enter the Ark of Salvation, outside of which is but satanic shark-infested water where one's soul is imperiled and drowned.

149 posted on 12/31/2006 3:15:06 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic; Kolokotronis; faithplusnothing1; kosta50; The_Reader_David; sitetest; BlackElk; ...
While I appreciate your sincere efforts, I find that I do not consider Mary the "Queen of Heaven", do not accept the misguided views of purgatory and indulgences, and consider praying to the dead instead of directly to Christ our High Priest to be sacrilegious. While you may consider these as part of Christian worship, I do not. I believe I would have a number of early church fathers agreeing with me.
150 posted on 12/31/2006 4:07:14 AM PST by HarleyD (Col 3:15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body;)
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To: bornacatholic; cowboyfan88; Kolokotronis; HarleyD
Thanks for the ping! This looks like a very interesting thread; one on which I would normally spend lots of time. Unfortunately, I have to work all weekend but may be able to revisit this later today. The following caught my attention:

Acts 16:31 says: "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..." Notice again that it doesn't say, "Believe and you will someday be saved." It rather says, "Believe...and BE saved."

The "Once Saved, Always Saved" doctrine is fundamentally flawed. The perfect example of how this doctrine is false is Judas Iscariot.  He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others.  Yet what Christian believes that Judas Iscariot went to Heaven? 

How can we be assured of our own salvation if St. Paul wasn't (1 Corinthians 9:27)? Salvation is not a "one time" event, but an ongoing process until "the end" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13).

The Catechism of the Catholic Church addresses the issue of Salvation.

161. "Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. [Cf. Mk 16:16 ; Jn 3:36 ; Jn 6:40 ; et al.] 'Since 'without faith it is impossible to please (God)' and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life 'But he who endures to the end.'']"

162. "Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man. We can lose this priceless gift, as St. Paul indicated to St. Timothy: 'Wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith.' [1 Tim 1:18-19 .] To live, grow and persevere in the faith until the end we must nourish it with the word of God; we must beg the Lord to increase our faith; [Cf. Mk 9:24 ; Lk 17:5 ; Lk 22:32.] it must be 'working through charity,' abounding in hope, and rooted in the faith of the Church. [Gal 5:6 ; Rom 15:13 ; cf. Jam 2:14-26.]"

153 posted on 12/31/2006 6:44:56 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: bornacatholic

"I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity...That the Roman Church is more honored by God than by all others is not to be doubted..Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for seperating from the Church.

On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by seperating from the Church that we can make her better... There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to disolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body."

-Martin Luther January 6 1519 Letter to Pope Leo X


161 posted on 12/31/2006 9:24:26 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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