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To: kerryusama04
You can't show me anyone in the New Testament after Acts 2 that was keeping the Jewish Sabbath. Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures, Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Those were unsaved Jews that Paul was trying to reach with the Gospel (Rom.1:16)

There is neither Jew nor Greek now there will be. That's not what Paul wrote. Perhaps you missed it last time Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Yes, that is that they can both now equally receive the Gospel.

Before the Church age, salvation was of the Jew (Jn.4:22)

Now, when one believes, Jew or Gentile, he becomes a new creature in Christ, a Christian (2Cor.5)

As I said, the day is unimportant, sabbath observance is not for the Church, it is for the Jew and has ceased with the removal of their nation, but will return later when they are reestablished (Col.2:16-17) Collosians 2:16-17 says no such thing. You know it and it has been explained to you many times.

Oh, there have been attempts to explain it away!

The verse is very clear-the Christian is not under any obligation to follow any Jewish day or any special day for that matter (Rom.14:5)

Here is another angle that perhaps youhave not considered. What are the Pharisees doing here? Mat 12:10 And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus, asking, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"--so that they might accuse Him.

Yes, before laws Christ paid for the sins of the world, those laws were in effect, not after (Col.2:14)

They were applying the standard for false prophets set out in Deuteronomy 13:1-5. They wanted Jesus to break the Sabbath so they could kill him and get back to oppresing the faithful. They didn't kill Jesus because He didn't break the Sabbath - he explained the Sabbath.

Yes, the sabbath was legimate before Christ died and was resurrected and became the end of the Law (Gal.3)

Many, many people think Jesus died, then was resurrected, and then, voila'!, everyone is Christian! This is absolutely not the case, and we all know it. Christians were the overwhelming minority while Paul lived. Had Paul ever preached the end of the Sabbath or the Law, he would have been executed on the spot using the same standard.

Paul preached grace wherever he went.

That same grace that the Counsel of Acts held to in Acts 15.

It was the school of the circumsion (Jews)who followed behind Paul and tried to get saved people back into Jewish rules and laws.

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile once they are saved. Again, that is not what the Bible says. It puts no adjectives or qualifications or anything in the verses that state this. In fact, Paul writes that the same Lord is Lord of them all!

That is exactly what the Bible says, a saved person today (Jew or Gentile) becomes a Christian (1Cor.10:32)

After the Rapture of the church (1Thess.4:16-18), that will no longer be the case.

You know, you have adopted a debate style that is prominent on the left. You keep saying the same incorrect stuff over and over. Well, W didn't lie about WMD, Al Gore did not invent the internet, and there is no difference between the Jew or the Greek. You can repeat yourself another 100 times, it simply is not so.

I have given you scriptures that say very clearly what I am saying.

You have to run to the Greek in order to 'wrest' those scriptures.

Rom.14:5 and Col.2:16 are very clear to anyone who wants to read them.

Mark 16:1-2 is very clear.

What you want to do is find verses to match your theology and reject those which don't.

That is not an English dictionary now is it? You're being "dynamic" again.

Dynamic is a legimate translation techinque, I am sorry you don't have any understanding of it.

I have proven that the Jew is a Jew and a Gentile is a Gentile-racially. How, I must have missed it?

You missed Rom.11:1-Paul refers to himself being an Isralite.

You missed Acts 10:28, where Peter calls himself a Jew?

And that it is unlawful for a gentile to have any dealings with a Jew, but that God gave Peter a new revelation that Jews and Gentiles can now fellowship.

Peter forgot this in Gal.2 and was rebuked by Paul, because Peter started thinking like a racial Jew again.

No, you quote verses that drop context and have nothing to do with the Jewish age that will come again. I keep searching my Bible for a "Jewish age" and coming up blank. What I do come up with is a whole lot of scriptures that indicate there is no more Jew or Greek, and that the priests of God will come out of all nations in the millenia. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Do you find anyone in the Old Testament called the Church-one body

That was only revealed to Paul (Eph.3) not to anyone in the Old Testament.

God says that the tribe of Levites will come from the nations to run the Millennial Kingdom.(Ezek 44).

No Gentiles will be priests in the Temple.

Try reading the Bible instead of cherry picking it.

I hope you are not counting on your Sabbath observance for getting you into heaven, because it won't. And my non-observance will not keep me out. The only issue today is the Lord Jesus Christ and His saving work on the Cross. You're half right. Works do not save men. Salvation is a gift and can't be earned. However, your theology is explicitly refuted time and again: Luk 12:47 "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, Luk 12:48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. Mat 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? Rom 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 1Jo 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Gen 15:6 Rom 4:3 James 2:23

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Gen 12:3 Acts 3:25

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Deut 27:26 James 2:10

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Hab 2:4 Rom 1:17

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Lev 18:5 Rom 10:5

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Deut 21:23

You don't have to respond to this post if you don't want to. I am just responding to it because I do not want to leave it unanswered.

463 posted on 01/13/2007 1:00:04 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
Can you provide me with the algabraic correction factor you use to interpret the scriptures? Your posts are rife with inserted adjectives and qualifiers. I am worn out. Here's my last shot:

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Deut 21:23

In this case, there actually is a qualifying prepositional phrase that you have omitted. Christ has omitted us FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, Christ has not removed the Law (10 Commandments) from anyone. If anything, He has broadened the invitation. We are all guilty of sin and none of us are righteous. This is not a license to sin. Omission of a verse in some partition of the Bible does not repeal the 4th Commandment. Hopefully you will divorce yourself from your preconcieved notions and let the plain scriptures speak to you.


464 posted on 01/13/2007 2:58:14 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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