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To: wagglebee

--Unfortunately, YOU are WRONG:

--And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. (Luke 1:41)

Yup, clearly states that Mary was imacculate upon birth.

--"My soul doth magnify the Lord." (Luke 1:46) Now then it is IMPOSSIBLE for a soul that bears the stain of sin to MAGNIFY the Lord, a stained soul can only OBSCURE the Lord.

Oh, I was wrong. HERE it says she is pure and thus our intercessor! Put clearly in the text to show Theophilus the exact truth. Um. Maybe if you read it with the Magesterial interpretation put into it. But without such prejudice, it is clear as mud. And magnify is a KJV and ESV translation. Somewhat different in others:

NAS Luke 1:46And Mary said:
"My soul exalts the Lord,
47And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Luke 1:46-47 (NIV)
46And Mary said:
"My soul glorifies the Lord
47and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

Where exalting and glorifying can have a different connotation than magnifying in modern terms, my dictionary gives this definition of-

Magnify :2 archaic extol; glorify : praise the Lord and magnify Him.

Does not mean add to, but to glorify and add praise to. You must agree that King James would have used this archaic definition. A more modern English definition gets in the way of the idea behind the statement, and unfortunately adds to the confusion.


--Yet, the problem is that the history of the Reformation has been that Protestants cannot even agree with each other for very long.

--I believe that the Apostle Peter showed incredible forsight when he wrote:

--As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16)

Unfortunately I agree that once a sect steps away from the solid unchanging Scripture, that sect tends to wander. That is why we all need to keep our eyes on what most agree is the Inspired Word and not a claim of infallible interpretation of ideas of the Early Church Fathers, when conflicting interpretations of these lead to such schisms as between the OC and the RCC, and they agree about much more than they do not!

The RCC cannot claim to be a solid rock of doctrines. The Pope is constantly trying to keep married priests out of the bishoprics, pro-abortion Catholics in the church, and liberals from taking over, which is highlighted out by the LA archdiocese as well as other places.

So, no, I do not see how I am WRONG, but perhaps you would like to amend your statement?


75 posted on 12/21/2006 4:10:16 PM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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To: Ottofire
I do not recognize as valid any translation of scripture from which you quote, nor do I recognize as valid any of your interpretations of these unauthorized texts.

Unfortunately I agree that once a sect steps away from the solid unchanging Scripture, that sect tends to wander.

This has clearly been the explanation for the splintering that has resulted from Luther's unbiblical, incorrect and heretical teachings.

78 posted on 12/21/2006 5:20:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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