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To: Campion

--There are plenty of people who are fine Scripture scholars in the Catholic church, and some of them are ex-Protestants. The Protestant conceit that nobody who knows Scripture can be a Catholic is just that: a conceit.

Conceit? I want you to answer the question of Luke 1. If you cannot, please speak not to me of conceit. I do not claim to have the only true church, the only true interpretation of scripture, the infallible leader and teacher for all Christianity; that is the RCC that does that.

The same RCC that allows the enemy to continue to kill our unborn, much as Herod and Pharoah did. Has the Pope excommunicated the pro-abortion Catholics yet? I keep hearing that it is coming, but I fear the Pope knows that they will just run to some liberal protestant heresy rather than listen to his authority. And this is the true church of Jesus? I shudder at the claim!


60 posted on 12/20/2006 9:26:08 PM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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To: Ottofire
I want you to answer the question of Luke 1. If you cannot, please speak not to me of conceit.

Here is the definition of "conceit":

Main Entry: 1con·ceit
Pronunciation: k&n-'sEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from conceivre
1 a (1) : a result of mental activity : THOUGHT (2) : individual opinion b : favorable opinion; especially : excessive appreciation of one's own worth or virtue
2 : a fancy item or trifle
3 a : a fanciful idea b : an elaborate or strained metaphor c : use or presence of such conceits in poetry d : an organizing theme or concept

The same RCC that allows the enemy to continue to kill our unborn, much as Herod and Pharoah did.

Let's see, the Catholic church is the number one pro-life voice on the planet.

The Protestants are divided.

The Catholic church alone adheres to the traditional Christian teaching that contraception is a grave moral evil.

The Protestants have mostly abandoned that truth, and in fact it was the Anglicans who started the ball rolling in 1930.

A person who procures, performs, or helps someone else to procure an abortion is automatically excommunicated according to Canon law.

The prefect of the congregation for the liturgy is already on record saying that pro-abortion Catholic politicians should refrain from receiving the Eucharist.

Has the Pope excommunicated the pro-abortion Catholics yet?

Do you think it would help? Do you think "abortion is always a grave moral evil" isn't clear enough?

So the scripture does not describe all that is required for salvation?

Why do you add the works of John Calvin to Scripture?

68 posted on 12/21/2006 9:04:29 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Ottofire
"Thou art Peter(Rock) and upon this rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

You know, these words mean what they say. If you abandon your bias you can hear this truth. Jesus prayed for unity not 28,000 denominations. Whatever shortcomings the Catholic Church may have we have the Word of Jesus, who is the Word and cannot lie, that the "gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

And I should add that we should "Honor our Father and our Mother." Jesus is our brother, Mary is not a vessel that has been discarded, she is our mother. She is the Queen of the saints in Heaven and as such she can pray for us along with all the saints in Heaven.

You do believe that there are saints in Heaven don't you?

92 posted on 12/22/2006 3:32:57 AM PST by RichardMoore
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