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To: NYer; kronos77
For that you must appeal to the Holy Spirit. It would also help to have some Orthodox, under the age of 80, elevated to the College of Cardinals

There was no such body in the Undivided Church. There was a Latin Patriarch's Synod. The Churhc would have to have a Synod of all Patriarchs, presided by the Pope, of course, but not controlled by him.

This reverence is one familiar to us in the Eastern Churches but Latin Catholics who witnessed this were most impressed

I believe it used to be, but it was lost. Having seen the Tridentine High Mass, a lot of that reverence and frequent signs of the cross and kissing of the priest's right hand was still part of the reverence of the Latin Church that has been since lost in the post-Vatican II period.

37 posted on 12/21/2006 2:48:24 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

"There was no such body in the Undivided Church. There was a Latin Patriarch's Synod. The Churhc would have to have a Synod of all Patriarchs, presided by the Pope, of course, but not controlled by him."

I had this exact conversation with my secretary's husband as I left the office tonight. He maintaioned that the Orthodox would be safe from any pronouncements from Rome because the Orthodox hierarchs would be represented on the Curia. I told him I thought that was bizarre in the extreme and suggested, if any such group were needed, it be exactly what Kosta has suggested. The Curia can do whatever it wants within the confines of the Latin Church. They can even elect the pope fo all I care.


40 posted on 12/21/2006 3:45:40 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: kosta50
Having seen the Tridentine High Mass, a lot of that reverence and frequent signs of the cross and kissing of the priest's right hand was still part of the reverence of the Latin Church that has been since lost in the post-Vatican II period.

Thank you, kosta, and may you have a blessed Christmas!

41 posted on 12/21/2006 4:07:58 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: kosta50; Pyro7480
I believe it used to be, but it was lost. Having seen the Tridentine High Mass, a lot of that reverence and frequent signs of the cross and kissing of the priest's right hand was still part of the reverence of the Latin Church that has been since lost in the post-Vatican II period.

Perhaps one has to dig deeper into RC history to find this but in my lifetime (which predates VCII), I don't recall any of what you mention.

In the Eastern Catholic Churches, the norm is for the priest to make profound bows before the Blessed Sacrament. Genuflection is a western (i.e. Latin) tradition. During the Pope's visit to Turkey, I watched the Patriarch's Divine Liturgy and felt quite comfortable (except for the distribution of communion), with the traditions exhibited. Like the Greek Orthodox Church, the Maronite Catholics use incense at every divine liturgy and also in the novenas celebrated. When the bishop comes to visit, those invited to proclaim the Readings do so only after they have asked for the Bishop's blessing and kissed his ring.

Again, I don't recall this in the RC Church as part of the Mass but perhaps I wasn't paying close enough attention.

44 posted on 12/21/2006 8:42:56 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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