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To: Joseph DeMaistre

Unlike the arrogance of people who call others names and smugly enjoy others personal failure, that attitude will win many converts to your church.
I think that Roman Catholics would be wise to avoid throwing stones about errant clergy engaging in homosexual acts. It has bankrupted many of your dioceses.


14 posted on 12/19/2006 8:12:25 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge

Spare me your tu quoque logic.

The Catholic Church has its problems, but my experience of Evangelicalism before I converted showed me its shallowness. My experience was that it's largely about feelings rather than reason. And it's more about the individual pastor in these megachurches. Rod Parsley, Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, etc.

I have no reason to defend errant priests, after all St. John Chrysostom said, in the 5th century, that the floor of hell was lined with the skulls of errant ones. At least we can be self critical.

I am confident the Catholic Church will right-side itself in the coming years and decades. The Church has survived Arianism, the Roman Empire, Napoleon, Atilla the Hun and the Protestant Revolution, so it will survive this as well.


15 posted on 12/19/2006 8:28:31 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Bainbridge

Spare me your tu quoque logic.

The Catholic Church has its problems, but my experience of Evangelicalism before I converted showed me its shallowness. My experience was that it's largely about feelings rather than reason. The individual pastor in these megachurches than a. Rod Parsley, Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, etc., often overshadow Christ, and the Evangelical doctrine of salvation in an instant and eternal security is the height of arrogance. Apostates frequently pretend to be the most pious of them all. Feeling saved doesn't equal being saved.

I have no reason to defend errant priests, after all St. John Chrysostom said, in the 5th century, that the floor of hell was lined with the skulls of errant ones. At least we can be self critical.

I am confident the Catholic Church will right-side itself in the coming years and decades. The Church has survived Arianism, the Roman Empire, Napoleon, Atilla the Hun and the Protestant Revolution, so it will survive this as well.


16 posted on 12/19/2006 8:30:40 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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To: Bainbridge

Even through the pain of errant priests and dioceses in financial struggles because of it, there are still many converts coming into the Church. Each year in my diocese alone, there are anywhere between 2,000-3,000 people who enter the Church at Easter time.

And the number of young men entering seminaries has begun to increase, and a number of new and healthy communities of religious siters have appeared.

The burdens we carry from our brother's sins and the Faith that sustains us through it all will be our oiled lamps in the years to come.

Wishing all a Blessed Christmas.

ROE



20 posted on 12/20/2006 4:04:44 PM PST by Running On Empty
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