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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY; BlackElk

Dear ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY,

"Christ himself said that when he comes again, he won't hear everyone who cries 'Lord;' but only those who obey his commandments."

There is a certain bitter irony in the scenario of someone likely coming from a set of traditions that includes "Once Saved, Always Saved" lecturing about presumption those who come from traditions where we dare not presume.

Mr. Dreher is a member of Orthodoxy. He is more than welcome to offer any critiques, suggestions, hints, clues, innovations or other bright ideas to his new communion, fellow worshippers, and hierarchs.

But Mr. Dreher made a pointed, public, and execrable exit from the Catholic Church. From our perspective, he is an apostate. One hopes that he will not ultimately be damned, but one does not generally seek advice about how to run one's Church from folks who have apostasized from one's Church.

In fact, it isn't unusual if one doesn't really care much about what others say generally about running one's church if those folks aren't a part of one's church.

It doesn't really have much to do with who is going to Heaven, and who isn't, but rather the right of an organization to make and enforce its own rules, without interference from those who do not wish to commit to the organization through membership.


sitetest


94 posted on 12/16/2006 5:43:02 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
"someone likely coming from a set of traditions that includes 'Once Saved, Always Saved'"

I realize that there are some pseudo-christians that think all you have to do to be saved is confess the name of Christ, but if you're saying that summarizes most non-Roman Catholic denominations, you are very wrong. What Luther was saying (and has been twisted by the Roman Catholic hierarchy) is we are saved by God's Grace through Christ; none of us, no matter how righteous we strive to be, can save ourselves. That doesn't mean you confess the name of Christ as if were some kind of "Get out Hell Free" card. You should live your life in gratitude, and obey his commandments.
120 posted on 12/16/2006 8:20:44 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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