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To: nanetteclaret; xzins; blue-duncan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; P-Marlowe
What if ..... you found out that Calvin's ideas were wrong? Could you admit it? What would you do? Have you thought of that possibility?

Oh, believe me. He's tried.

And as God has willed, he seems to be finding a lot of truth among the Reformer's works.

"I do not doubt that there has been some ignorance in their having reproved this mode of speech, -- that the Virgin Mary is the 'Mother of God' -- I cannot dissemble that it is found to be a bad practice ordinarily to adopt this title in speaking of this Virgin: and, for my part, I cannot consider such language as good , proper, or suitable…for to say, the Mother of God for the Virgin Mary, can only serve to harden the ignorant in their superstitions." -- John Calvin to the Foreigners’ Church in London, 10/27/1552

467 posted on 12/14/2006 3:09:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; blue-duncan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; P-Marlowe

Theotokos (Greek) = God-bearer or Mother of God

The Church at the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. declared Mary to be “Theotokos,” the “God-bearer” or “Mother of God.” This was to clarify that Jesus was the Second Person of the Trinity and not two distinct persons (the Nestorian heresy). The doctrine had its origins in defining the nature of Jesus (one person with two distinct natures - human and divine), in order to combat this heresy. By saying that Mary is the "Mother of God," one acknowledges that Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity, was born from Mary's womb.

If Calvin didn't want to "harden the ignorant in their superstitions," then he should have explained what the term meant. The fact that he allowed the "ignorant" to remain "ignorant" shows that he was either ignorant himself or he purposefully didn't explain the correct meaning of the term. I wonder why?


485 posted on 12/14/2006 4:38:58 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; nanetteclaret; xzins; blue-duncan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; P-Marlowe
Oh, believe me. He's tried.

Now don't take advantage of my good will. :>)

498 posted on 12/14/2006 5:52:32 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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