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To: DogwoodSouth; bremenboy; Iscool; stfassisi
Similarly, doctrines such as Mary's perpetual virginity and her immaculate conception are implicit in Scripture. At the very least, one would think that those who don't adhere to these doctrines, would have a "live and let live attitude" knowing that while such doctrines may not come to light in their particular (and rather new) understanding of "sola Scriptura," these beliefs are not in conflict with their own.

The difference between the Catholic Church and Protestants here is that Protestants look at the literal sense of Scripture ALONE, completely missing that interpretation of these Scriptures goes beyond the literal - otherwise, how could the first Christians see Christ in the OT? By taking a spiritual view of the Bible, it is plain to see that the Church sees in Mary a type of ITSELF. Rather than the "either/or" of Protestantism that refuses to see the spiritual and literal co-exist in a verse, they discount the spiritual.

But is that what the Bible itself does? No. Paul uses analogy. And Peter says that the Israeli crossing of the Red Sea is a TYPE of Baptism. Thus, the bible itself uses analogy and typology to further God's revelation to mankind in a gradual manner. As such, Catholics see in Mary a type of Church. They see in Gen 3:15 not only the Church, but Mary. Same in Rev 12. Same in Song of Songs. We call Mary our Mother and we call the Church our Mother. Through our Mother comes the Savior of the World - whether literally, or spiritually. They both are our Mother - Mary giving birth literally to the Body of Christ, the Church mystically giving birth to the Body through Baptism. Furthermore, the relationship between mother and child does NOT end with birth! The mother continues to nurture the child - in the Church's case, through the Word and Sacrament.

Until Protestants can learn to contemplate Scriptures in a more fuller sense, trying to understand what God has said to us (the Bible is not only a historical book), they won't understand the doctrines of Mary, which are merely recognition of Mary's special place in salvation history that reflects on Christology and Ecclesiology.

Regards

20 posted on 12/13/2006 8:31:50 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus
""they won't understand the doctrines of Mary, which are merely recognition of Mary's special place in salvation history that reflects on Christology and Ecclesiology.""



The Mistake they are making is trying to omit Mary from the New Covenant,this can,t be done because Mary, in union with the sacrifice of her Son, offered to the Eternal Father for the salvation of humankind her maternal rights and love. She, by special privilege, is the unique all-holy member of God's people and in her the Church already at its foundation realized itself as the all-resplendent Bride of Jesus Christ
48 posted on 12/13/2006 10:02:06 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: jo kus
At the very least, one would think that those who don't adhere to these doctrines, would have a "live and let live attitude"

While I am aware of the long history of the Catholic Church and there Live and Let Live attitude. I can assure you that you will not find that attitude in the Holy Book. How many would support a doctrine that permitted Drunk Driving? Wo would say that if you wanted to drive Drunk thats OK- thats your choice -hey lets live and let live.

The truth is there is no life in false doctrine it is the truth that set you free not the lie.

what you fail to understand is that before you can prove Immaculate Conception. You Must first prove original sin. which is another false doctrine.
71 posted on 12/13/2006 10:49:03 AM PST by bremenboy (Just Because I Am Born Again Doesn't Mean I was Born Again Yesterday)
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To: jo kus
Until Protestants can learn to contemplate Scriptures in a more fuller sense, trying to understand what God has said to us (the Bible is not only a historical book), they won't understand the doctrines of Mary, which are merely recognition of Mary's special place in salvation history that reflects on Christology and Ecclesiology.

Uh, you mean the bible doesn't say what we want it to say so we'll add and remove a bunch of stuff until we're happy with the results...

And we'll call it 'contemplating scripture in a fuller sense'...

Snake oil is still snake oil regardless of the packaging...

163 posted on 12/13/2006 4:29:10 PM PST by Iscool (Anybody tired??? I have a friend who says "Come unto me, and I'll give you rest"...)
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