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Three Reasons the Church’s Enemies Hate The Immaculate Conception
TFP ^ | 12.08.06 | Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

Posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:32 PM PST by Coleus

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To: DungeonMaster

Not only is the Canon of Scriptures not contained in the Bible, the idea of Sola Scriptura is not in the Scriptures. Nowhere is it explicitly or implicitly stated that the Bible alone is to be used. And in fact, many verses contradict this idea.


601 posted on 12/15/2006 8:50:17 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
So the question stands, where in the Bible does it say which books are inspired?

It doesn't stand with me.

602 posted on 12/15/2006 8:50:23 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: G Larry

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1752704/posts?page=368#368

This is a more expert exegesis but he didn't buy that either, Larry.


603 posted on 12/15/2006 8:50:46 AM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: DungeonMaster
The bible doesn't say you have to be baptised to be saved.

"Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

Footnote: "Unless a man be born again"... By these words our Saviour hath declared the necessity of baptism; and by the word water it is evident that the application of it is necessary with the words. Matt. 28. 19.

604 posted on 12/15/2006 8:52:31 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: DungeonMaster

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jam 2:14 ¶ What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?


Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,


Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?


Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


605 posted on 12/15/2006 8:53:01 AM PST by kawaii
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To: kawaii

See my #604 as well. :)


606 posted on 12/15/2006 8:54:13 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1752704/posts?page=511#511

Check #511...


607 posted on 12/15/2006 8:54:25 AM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed

That's where I got my quotes from. What should I check for? Was I in error?


608 posted on 12/15/2006 8:55:53 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: All
Some interesting thoughts for all to ponder:


Reading A treatise against the heresies, by St Irenaeus
Eve and Mary
The Lord, coming into his own creation in visible form, was sustained by his own creation which he himself sustains in being. His obedience on the tree of the cross reversed the disobedience at the tree in Eden; the good news of the truth announced by an angel to Mary, a virgin subject to a husband, undid the evil lie that seduced Eve, a virgin espoused to a husband.
As Eve was seduced by the word of an angel and so fled from God after disobeying his word, Mary in her turn was given the good news by the word of an angel, and bore God in obedience to his word. As Eve was seduced into disobedience to God, so Mary was persuaded into obedience to God; thus the Virgin Mary became the advocate of the virgin Eve.
Christ gathered all things into one, by gathering them into himself. He declared war against our enemy, crushed him who at the beginning had taken us captive in Adam, and trampled on his head, in accordance with God’s words to the serpent in Genesis: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall lie in wait for your head, and you shall lie in wait for his heel.
The one lying in wait for the serpent’s head is the one who was born in the likeness of Adam from the woman, the Virgin. This is the seed spoken of by Paul in the letter to the Galatians: The law of works was in force until the seed should come to whom the- promise was made.
He shows this even more clearly in the same letter when he says: When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman. The enemy would not have been defeated fairly if his vanquisher had not been born of a woman, because it was through a woman that he had gained mastery over man in the beginning, and set himself up as man’s adversary.
That is why the Lord proclaims himself the Son of Man, the one who renews in himself that first man from whom the race born of woman was formed; as by a man’s defeat our race fell into the bondage of death, so by a man’s victory we were to rise again to life.


609 posted on 12/15/2006 8:58:37 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: DungeonMaster
The bible doesn't say you have to be baptised to be saved.

John 3:5.

610 posted on 12/15/2006 9:00:56 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Conservative til I die

See the post I was replying to.

In it, that could be a derived assumption.


611 posted on 12/15/2006 9:03:41 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: kawaii; xzins; DungeonMaster; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg

"That's why there's a difference between the traditions of men and Holy Tradition, which is the Tradition of the Church Christ established, and send the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter to guide."

I know but I consider my tradition to be the "Holy Tradition, which is the Tradition of the Church Christ established, and send the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter to guide." In fact at the last annual GRPL/Neener picnic the Tradition was affirmed, isn't that right you GRPL/Neener bishops?


612 posted on 12/15/2006 9:04:32 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Conservative til I die; P-Marlowe; BibChr
prayer to saint

Not so.

You attribute omniscience and/or omnipresence to those who can hear anyone pray at anytime in any place.

John falls to worship one who apparently an angel in Revelation and he is told not to do so. He is to worship only God.

God alone is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

613 posted on 12/15/2006 9:06:43 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Conservative til I die
Not only is the Canon of Scriptures not contained in the Bible, the idea of Sola Scriptura is not in the Scriptures. Nowhere is it explicitly or implicitly stated that the Bible alone is to be used. And in fact, many verses contradict this idea.

Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

Paul spoke for 3 days and was rejected by one group, but the fair minded group went to the OT and verified the gospel he preached to them was true. If it was not in the OT....

Understand that the OT is about Jesus.

614 posted on 12/15/2006 9:08:50 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: Pyro7480
"Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

Clear from the rest of the Bible that isn't baptism.

615 posted on 12/15/2006 9:09:45 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: blue-duncan; kawaii; P-Marlowe; Buggman; Corin Stormhands

The tradition is "No list"

It is passed down.

It is of sacre bleu or Gott im himmel status

The LHP has so affirmed.


{!}


616 posted on 12/15/2006 9:10:07 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: All
Time to start the weekend. Thanks for the enjoyable discussion.

The Lord Bless you.

DM

617 posted on 12/15/2006 9:11:48 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: Salvation
He shows this even more clearly in the same letter when he says: When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman. The enemy would not have been defeated fairly if his vanquisher had not been born of a woman, because it was through a woman that he had gained mastery over man in the beginning, and set himself up as man’s adversary.

That is why the Lord proclaims himself the Son of Man, the one who renews in himself that first man from whom the race born of woman was formed; as by a man’s defeat our race fell into the bondage of death, so by a man’s victory we were to rise again to life.

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Excellent. Thanks!

618 posted on 12/15/2006 9:19:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DungeonMaster

May God be with you.


619 posted on 12/15/2006 9:20:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blue-duncan

That's the difference, you alone are not a church. Further you weren't present at the church under the Apostles.

You're just someone who likes to read and speculate.


620 posted on 12/15/2006 9:23:25 AM PST by kawaii
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