Posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:32 PM PST by Coleus
You don't understand ANYTHING about Catholic beliefs regarding Mary.
I'm sure God appreciates your limiting His grace to the pregnancy. Where did you derive this little bit of wisdom from? "...And that would take all the grace God could muster...
Do you even think before posting this crap?
Mary is NOT a god or godess to anyone in the Catholic Church!
Instead of guessing the order of importance of things to Catholics, you might visit the Apostle's Creed.
So you speak Koine Greek and Aramaic?
Because the folks who started my church did and do.
Yes, he complied an account - from oral instructions by the eyewitnesses who had been there who were ministers of the word.
Epistle means letter. Paul wrote LETTERS to different communities. Others also wrote letters. Not all of these letters were determined by the Church to be part of Canon. Nobody ever went to Paul and said, "write scripture." He was asked for advice either in writing or verbally and he responded. Many of his letters were viewed as so important that they were transcribed and circulated throughout the Church. It wasn't until much later that the Church decided that they were part of Canon.
You got the same problem other folks have...You don't believe what God wrote...
Where does it say that God WROTE these letters? Is this the old "dictation" theory? If God simply wanted to "dictate" the Bible, why not just present it in completed format as He did with the Ten Commandments?
If that bizarre notion worked there would be the Catholic Church and Protestants. There would not be the Catholic Church and an uncountable number of Protestant denominations.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the Trinity is all over the bible...Both Testaments...
Sounds more like Athanasius and the rest of the group didn't figure it out til the 4th century...You can bet the Bereans in Acts knew about it...
*8Doesn't it seem odd to you that folks that DO take God's Word literally couldn't possible join your church???**
They do all the time.
**How are you going to lead a bible study when you don't believe it??? You don't believe in the millenial reign of Christ...You don't believe the Bride of Christ get married in Heaven...You somehow think the 'Woman' in Rev. 12 is Mary...**
How do you know this. Have you participated in a Catholic Bible Study on Revelation?
If you have, great. If not, you are spreading rumors. I will pray for you.
You keep saying that but how do you explain that you wrote the first scripture in 300 something or other that says Paul was writing it in the 1st century???
Epistles, and parchments, remember??? Your bible doesn't jive with your church history...
You don't get the part that were taught "by word" as well as written. What did St. Paul teach "by word?" He evidently thought the Thessalonians knew what he meant. Might it be things that one can't find in his epistles? It must be or otherwise he would not have said "by word OR epistle."
I'm still challenging you to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I also challenge you to read "Faith of the Early Fathers" by William Jurgens, so that you can understand what the traditions were.
Paul was one of the Apostles who founded the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostlic Church. Paul was a Catholic. Do you think a Protestant church is built over his bones? No. It is a Catholic church that is built over his bones.
-A8
it was articulated by these Bishops. It is not articulated together in scripture, nor are the natures specifically laid out in one place, that's why Arius was excommunicated for heresey for an interpretation of the trinity which would contradict Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.
it is a fact that many of the early heresies rose from folks misarticulating the trinity.
Paul was a Roman citizen but he spoke Greek, and was born in Cilicia in the Greek part of the empire.
I'd say he was an Orthodox Christian. :)))
The following verses testify that there was an AWFUL LOT of writing going on in the New Testament era. Some would have us think that Christians were idiots and could only sit around the campfire and tell tall tales...that writing was beyond them.
The following absolutely destroys such a nonsensical notion. The churches were getting correspondence from so many sources, that one wonders how they kept up with it.
One more important point about the relationship between these early Christians and the Apostles: They WROTE BACK -- "I Corinthians 7:1 'Now for the matter YOU WROTE about...'"
Mr 10:4
They said, "Moses permitted a man TO WRITE A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY."
Lu 1:3
it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
Lu 16:6
"And he said, 'A hundred measures of oil.' And he said to him, 'Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.'
Joh 19:20
Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription , for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek.
Joh 19:22
Pilate answered, "What I have written I have written."
Joh 20:30
Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.
Ac 15:20
but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
Ac 25:26
"Yet I have nothing definite about him to write to my lord. Therefore I have brought him before you all and especially before you, King Agrippa, so that after the investigation has taken place, I may have something to write.
Ro 15:15
But I have written very boldly to you on some points so as to remind you again, because of the grace that was given me from God,
Ro 16:22
I, Tertius, who write this letter, greet you in the Lord.
1Co 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment.
2Co 13:10
For this reason I am writing these things while absent, so that when present I need not use severity, in accordance with the authority which the Lord gave me for building up and not for tearing down.
Ga 1:20
(Now in what I am writing to you, I assure you before God that I am not lying.)
Ga 6:11
See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand.
Col 4:18
I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my imprisonment. Grace be with you.
2Th 3:17
I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, and this is a distinguishing mark in every letter; this is the way I write.
1Pe 5:12
Through Silvanus, our faithful brother (for so I regard him), I have written to you briefly, exhorting and testifying that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it!
2Pe 3:1
This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
1Jo 1:4
These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.
1Jo 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
1Jo 2:7
Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard.
1Jo 2:8
On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining.
1Jo 2:12
I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
1Jo 2:13
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children, because you know the Father.
1Jo 2:14
I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
1Jo 2:21
I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no * lie is of the truth.
1Jo 2:26
These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you.
1Jo 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
2Jo 1:5
Now I ask you, lady, not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jo 1:12
Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.
3Jo 1:13
I had many things to write to you, but I am not willing to write them to you with pen and ink;
Jude 1:3
Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
Re 1:3
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
Re 1:11
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
Re 22:18
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Re 22:19
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
-A8
That verse does not teach that accounts were not written.
Ok I'll concede that one. :)
It teaches to adhere to the doctrine of the church whether it is written down or not.
The eyewitnesses themselves wrote (had written) the accounts.
Many of these people could read and write.
Jesus opened the scroll in the synagogue and began to read. That was not unusual.
for all this writing not one apostle wrote any book titled 'the clear and full teachings of the church volume 1-etc'.
It was the Apostolic Orthodox Catholic church which assembled together the true gospels and anathemized gnostic heresies.
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