Open to Life: Asking Protestants to Ponder Mary

CatholicExchange.com ^ | 12-07-06 | Pete Vere

[frogjerk]

**I would reason that she was chosen from the beginning**

Absolutely. That's what the Immaculate Conception is all about.

Amen.

[wagglebee]

Just as the phrase sons of Mary ...

This phrase DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE, regardless of what translation you are reading from.

[frogjerk]

Well, Papist, the Bible indicates that Jesus is our intercessor.

This is what the Church believes and professes.

[frogjerk]

IF Mary was 'special', untouched by sin, such as Adam pre-fall, and Jesus, all her faculties would be pure.

They are and have always been and always will be.

[Rytwyng]

She didn't abstain. She actively assented to God's will.

Okay, but she abstained ***from sex***, which was my point. Abstinence as birth control works every time, except this once, this one holy exception.

[Ottofire]

--St. Jerome already rebutted this question about 1700 years ago.

Musta missed that memo. Mine always arrive late.

Gimme Documentation please...

And isn't this the same Jerome that said the Apocrypha is NOT cannon? (Sorry, cannot seem to spell the deuterocanonical whattayoucallits...). If he is such a great scholar in one sense, can I not use him to clobber you with the other?

[Romish_Papist]

"Catholics believe she does pray for us but protestants believe only God, through His son, Jesus Christ, actually has the power to answer them."

Ummm... ok... I'll say it again. Catholics do NOT believe any different. It is the Triune God that answers prayers. Be they submitted by me, you, or any of the saints in Heaven on our behalf, only the Trinity answers the prayers.

[Romish_Papist]

"Well, Papist, the Bible indicates that Jesus is our intercessor. If Catholics believe it's Mary, then so be it. Protestants don't. We believe it's Jesus who is our interecessor."

There is more to the Faith than just the Bible. The Bible says so itself, but if you wish to limit yourself, well, I'm sorry for you. God Bless all the same.

[Romish_Papist]

"My husband and our former pastor were Catholics so I have some idea of what THEY were taught. Perhaps not all Catholics are but some have been."

If what you said is accurate, then your husband and "pastor" were incorrectly catechized. Regardless, your assumptions about what Catholics believe are flat out wrong. If you wish to truly find out what we believe, you can simply look in the Catechism. The whole thing is online for free.

I promise you won't burst into flame or be struck by lightning. :)

[Romish_Papist]

Not exactly. St. Jerome did question the authenticity of some Books in the Catholic Bible, but he deferred to the Church in the matter. IIRC, he also stated later in life that he was wrong about questioning their authenticity previously.

[Diva]

And that's the thing that is going to bring a lot of Protestants back to the Church, as their own churches become less and less Trinitarian, more Pelagian, and less Marian.

Glad to hear what you have to say about the movie and I pray you are correct about bringing protestants (both Catholic and the capital "P" kind), back to the Church.

[Captain Gates]

Thanks! Good to be here!

[Marysecretary]

Don't worry, I know I wont' burst into flames, although I've had a few flame wars here when people's favorite theories or subjects get questioned. It can be fun...smile.

[Marysecretary]

Don't worry, I know I wont' burst into flames, although I've had a few flame wars here when people's favorite theories or subjects get questioned. It can be fun...smile. And I know that our basics are the same--the Triune God, Jesus' sacrifice for our sins, etc. It's when we get away from that that we have problems with our theology. Mxxx

[Marysecretary]

Why do Catholics say they pray to Mary as Jesus' mother, to intercede for us? I've heard that on FR more than once from, especially women, who say that. Mary can't help. Only God through Jesus can.

[frogjerk]

Why do Catholics say they pray to Mary as Jesus' mother, to intercede for us? I've heard that on FR more than once from, especially women, who say that. Mary can't help. Only God through Jesus can.

A couple of reasons why I, as a Catholic, believe and pray to Mary for her intercession.

Firstly, because I need all of the help that I can to get into heaven I ask people that are close to Jesus to pray for me. Mary is the Mother of God, Mary and Jesus shared the same blood. Mary was entrusted by God the Father to care for Jesus, His son. That is a pretty big responsibility and an enormous role that Mary fulfilled perfectly. Jesus listens to his Mothers' petitions.

Secondly, when Mary stops helping, I'll stop praying to her. I have a funny feeling this wont be happening anytime soon.

God Bless!

[Marysecretary]

Well, whatever floats your boat, I guess. You can go directly to Jesus. HE is our intercessor. But, I know Catholics have their own beliefs.

[Marysecretary]

You don't NEED anyone else's help to get into heaven. Putting your faith and trust in Jesus Christ with a sincere heart is ALL you need. Good works and Mary will not help. This is what bothers me about the Catholic faith. NOONE but Jesus--HE is the door to heaven through which you must go, dear frogjerk.

[adiaireton8]

You don't NEED anyone else's help to get into heaven

Then you had better get rid of your Bible, since many men wrote the various books and other men determined which books should be included in it. Since you don't need their help, you have long ago thrown your Bible in the trash, haven't you?

-A8

[frogjerk]

Well, whatever floats your boat, I guess. You can go directly to Jesus. HE is our intercessor. But, I know Catholics have their own beliefs.

I do and I also ask for help from others.