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To: annalex; Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; jo kus; Blogger; xzins
The use of Latin was salutary as it ensured solidity of doctrine across jurisdictions and languages.

Hmmmm...then would you agree with Vatican II in doing away with the Latin Mass?

8,987 posted on 02/05/2007 5:28:53 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Hmmmm...then would you agree with Vatican II in doing away with the Latin Mass?

Anyone who read the "Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy" will tell you that Vatican 2 did NOT do away with the Latin Mass. It CONTINUES to hold precedence. The Council allowed Mass to be said in the vernacular, keeping Latin as a revered language of the Church.

Here is the pertinent quote:

36.

1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

2. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended. This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down separately in subsequent chapters.

3. These norms being observed, it is for the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned in Art. 22, 2, to decide whether, and to what extent, the vernacular language is to be used; their decrees are to be approved, that is, confirmed, by the Apostolic See. And, whenever it seems to be called for, this authority is to consult with bishops of neighboring regions which have the same language.

4. Translations from the Latin text into the mother tongue intended for use in the liturgy must be approved by the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority mentioned above.

Regards

9,010 posted on 02/05/2007 6:44:17 PM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; jo kus; Blogger; xzins
would you agree with Vatican II in doing away with the Latin Mass?

Big topic. As you probably know, the Vatican II never did that, but we can talk of the aftereffects of the Vatican II. No, I personally do not agree with them, and I think most of the abuse of the decrees of the Vatican II will be reversed soon. The Tridentine Latin Mass, the Mass of the Ages, is going to be back. Praying ad orientem is going to become the norm again. However, there is simplicity and beauty in the Novus Ordo. I came to the Church through it, in large part thanks to its plain accessibility. I am certain that Novus Ordo in English will remain most popular for these reasons.

Of course, my perception is skewed because English is filling the same role Latin played in the Western culture. The need for the precision and grace of Latin is probalby greater in other, less sophisticated vernacular languages. I also look to the day when the horrid ICEL translations are corrected and NAS translation shelved.

9,101 posted on 02/06/2007 11:46:14 AM PST by annalex
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