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To: Alamo-Girl

Yes, you see the convergence of our views. One one side we have the CBR at 2.73 deg K. Extrapolated back with blackbody radiation, that gives something like between 15B and 13B years. On the other side we have young galaxies forming at about 1 billion years. That leaves a gap, how do you get from a diffuse hot gas to galaxies in just a billion years?

Cosmologists have long pondered this conundrum. Too bad they don't READ the book of Job. The answer is RIGHT THERE : and the MORNING STARS SANG TOGETHER = a first generation of super massive stars that went supernova quickly, seeding the gas with heavier elements(future stars, planets)and the shockwaves thereof imprinted the "soap bubble" texture on galactic structure(galaxies occur mostly on the WALLS of the bubbles).

This is a wonderful convergence : religion hinting at what happened, and science finally(in its slow bumbling way)finding it out. Soon enough these "morning stars" will appear in the telescopes....

Analogy : Alfred North Whitehead(great mathematician)and Bertrand Russell(Philosopher)collaborated on a symbolic study 100 years ago. Using only the symbols of logic(*[%@& and so forth)they used 350 pages of these logic symbols to prove that 1+1=2. Ridiculous? Not to a computer. It only deals with symbols, software; it doesn't KNOW 1+1=2, that's only a LOGICal conclusion to it from its programming.

Science is sort of like that, cranking along to find out that 1+1=2 with advancing telescope power, when it was there in the book of JOB all along.

Sometimes I think of it as a matt of blind moss growing on a big rock by the sea. Here is a BUMP, there a crack, the occasional surf spray, as it spreads slowly across the rock. All inter-connected of course but here a theory(and a dead end wall)there a hypothesis that looks like a promising lead, then a cliff(big drop off). Then a center section that SEEMS solid(strong theory like the standard model), then along comes INCONVENIENT FACTS like CF/LENR and a whole section of the rock falls away : fall back, regroup.

And so it goes. Religion tells you what it IS, but the blind moss gropes its way across the rock anyway. Blind belief vs Maxwell's wanting to know the PARTICULAR GO of things. Which is the more reliable method?

Reliable religion? During the 100 year war of religion between catholics and protestants in europe, it was considered "sport" to cut fetuses out of pregnant women and hack both of them to pieces. Which has shed more blood, science or religion? How many souls have priests saved? How many lives have been saved by medical technology?


8,915 posted on 02/04/2007 10:46:53 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: timer
Thank you so much for sharing your views and providing the additional details! And thank you for your encouragements.
8,930 posted on 02/05/2007 7:58:19 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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