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To: spunkets; Forest Keeper
Your track record grasping logical errors isn't very good.

That's an ad hominem.

If you have a problem with what I said, address the specifics.

I did. I pointed out that your argument is an argument from silence. One cannot justifiably determine that Mary did not remain a perpetual virgin from the absence of a statement that she did remain a perpetual virgin. But that's what you did. So I pointed it out.

Otherwise, you could justifiably conclude that Mary did not persevere in faith until death from the absence of a statement that she did persevere in faith until death. But no Protestants believe that Mary is in hell. So it just shows how you selectively pick and choose the arguments from silence that serve your pet theological theory.

-A8

883 posted on 12/08/2006 7:46:05 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
Re:Your track record grasping logical errors isn't very good.

"That's an ad hominem."

We went over this before. The subject is a particular track record. It's your track record. The word "your" identifies the particular track record.

The full title for the logical fallacy is "ad hominem attack". It must be and attack, because praise would indicate agreement. Now in this case, there was no attack. I simply indicated your track record of erroneously IDing these things.

It is common and customary to use the word "your" to identify something in particular. For instance, "your zipper is open." It means a particular zipper is open. The word can only be used to indicate a particular zipper, if it belongs to the person being spoken to.

I have no desire, or intentions of dropping one of the most useful words in the English language, because anyone in particular can't grasp the meaning and cries "offensive!" The subject is not the person; it's what was said, or done!

"I pointed out that your argument is an argument from silence."

It is evidence as I said. It is not sufficient to make a conclusion, as I said.

"One cannot justifiably determine that Mary did not remain a perpetual virgin from the absence of a statement that she did remain a perpetual virgin."

There is no absence of a statement. The statement says effectively, "until the birth". A valid point has been made that the word is sometimes used to indicate nothing regarding the future beyond that point. The keyword is sometimes. Since the birth is specifically mentioned and Matthew knew the 2, I see the weight of this evidence as favoring the birth as the limit of virginity. The fact that I do not make a firm conclusion with this evidence makes your claim to logical fallacy groundless.

"Mary did not persevere in faith until death.
no Protestants believe that Mary is in hell.

That's very heartening to hear, because she couldn't have converted after death. The statemnt proves Mary was always faithful, regardless of the meaning of the word "until".

896 posted on 12/08/2006 8:37:31 PM PST by spunkets
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